Posted on 03/20/2007 8:21:54 AM PDT by areafiftyone
Ridiculous.
You are making the assumption that those people would vote for ANY Republican but Rudy. They won't they are the same malcontents who make these threats every presidential election and many are not even Republicans. Twenty per cent of the MOST conservative people on the most conservative site reflect in NO way the electorate. You are talking about 2% of the voters.
In addition, there will be 2 to 3 voters moving to Rudy for every one who pouts. What you are refusing to acknowledge is that the reason Bush barely won is because the country is NOT conservative. He could only win by appealing to voters BEYOND that 35% calling themselves "conservative". Rudy has FAR more appeal to independents and moderates than Bush ever did and Hillary will be even less appealing than Gore or Kerry.
Treason Media attacks have made conservatives "extremists" and toxic as the last election showed to any who care to think about the results.
Hillary's FBI files are the most overrated source of power I can recall. They are a great myth but only that.
You are correct. He is a non-issue though a fine man.
It is amazing how normally sane and thoughtful people can actually claim, with a straight face, that Hunter can win this.
It was a general characterization of a group of extremists within the base of the Republican Party, not a personal attack on anyone. But if the shoe fits...
Of course you're attacking all social conservatives, not just me. But it does shed some light on the little ball of hatred you carry for those who care about life, liberty, family, and religious freedom.
Well then, why didn't you ask me, instead of the stupid and inane insult? What you just said about hatred, life, liberty, etc has no relevance to the tactics I attributed to some on the social right. I don't want that agenda to become campaign issues in the next election for a number of reasons. Believe me, when I read such posts as yours, I know that it is not the conservatives nor the moderates in our Party who hold the market on hatred.
Visit America some time -- or perhaps even (gasp!) a church! -- and you'll find your liberal views are the extreme ones.
That post of yours together with this one shows how completely out of touch you people are with America. And don't worry about my faith, nor my political philosophy. As a life-long conservative, I completely recognize the danger some on both extremes of politics pose to this great Nation, a danger we must all be vigilant to. Your agenda has been outed and you will find it difficult to impose your social "values" on America any more. The Republican Party needs conservatives from all across America. It neither needs nor wants social extremists. You take care.
Solid conservative after solid conservative have stepped up and spoken favorably (Newt, Santorum) or endorsed him outright (Drier, and others). And what is the response of the Rudyphobic? "Sellout, RINO, Liberal, phoney etc." Very tiresome and telling isn't it?
Yes, it is very telling.
If Rudy Julie Annie switched to the Democrat party could be elected president. He will not be selected by the Republican party.
Your list distorts most of the issues wrt Rudy's stance. It has little to do with reality. And the same old arguments gets thrown up-"wait till people know what he believes" which assumes even FReepers are politically ignorant. As more and more info is released Rudy's number keep climbing thereby refuting that claim.
Many are here have stated they are turned off by such attempts at deception and are MORE likely to vote for Rudy.
Your problem is finding someone who can BEAT him. And that is a HUGE problem. Particularly since those you would prefer have NO following to speak of, are complete unknowns, nutcases or hated. Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, Huckabee, Tancredo, Brownback, Newt or Fred are not going to blaze into the stratosphere uniting all under them.
What it is telling is that those applying those labels are not merely isolated from the American people as a whole but from the conservative movement as well. They are a tiny minority of Irreconcilables heading quickly into inconsequence.
Let me know if/when you get those stances sorted out so I'll know just where he stands. I'd hate to get the wrong impression about the man.
You can go to Tradesports.com and buy Thompson futures for 8 cents on the dollar. He is a conservative pipedream, but a false hope. His possible candidacy has stalled some other conservatives, and that also helps Giuliani, so Thompson might wait a while before he formally anounces that he is not running. The first primary is less than a year away, but this thing is all but over already, by the simple fact that the system has been rigged in such a way that an underfunded candidate cannot possibly take it.
Just look at the numbers. For a guy like Hunter to get the name recognition he needs will take at least ten impressions per voter at a minimum of $20 per thousand per impression. So you are looking at $2 per vote minimum just to get equal name recognition. There are 8 million or so Republicans in California, ao you are talking $16 million just to get equal name recognition. To get voters to understand the differences between the candidates, build preference for Hunter and close the deal will take at least another $2 per vote. Now you are at $32 million, and that's just the one state. Plus, it assumes that Giuliani runs a weak campaign as he matches or outspends his opponent.
So the only candidates with a realistic chance are going to be those with name recognition already. Thompson has face recognition if not name recognition, but as they try to figure out what message and how much money in media it will take to get him over Giuliani, assuming Giuliani can match him dollar for dollar, he needs $20 million minimum, and really more like $50 million just to compete. A lot of that money will have to be spent building up Giuliani's negatives, which would only hurt the party in November were Giuliani able to defend the attack.
The party's financial backers are asking the obvious question: if we've already got a guy who gets 50 percent of the vote, why throw good money at someone to tear that candidate down? Principle? Please. Principle might matter to Freepers, but it matters little to the big money folks. They took a financial beating backing social conservatives in 2006, so they are going for a different kind of horse this time. The polls suggest that Giuliani is a thoroughbred who can win in the fall, and the money wants to back a winner more than anything else.
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