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Abandoned baby polar bear is 'better off dead' than raised in zoo ('Animal rights' activists)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | March 19, 2007

Posted on 03/19/2007 12:08:29 PM PDT by Stoat

Abandoned baby polar bear is 'better off dead' than raised in zoo

Last updated at 18:04pm on 19th March 2007

The Berlin Zoo's abandoned polar bear cub Knut looks cute, cuddly and has become a front-page media darling, but animal rights activists insisted he would be better off dead than raised by humans.

When Knut was born last December his mother ignored him, zoo officials intervened and chose to raise him themselves

"Feeding by hand is not species-appropriate but a gross violation of animal protection laws," animal rights activist Frank Albrecht told the mass-circulation Bild, which has featured regular full-color photo spreads tracking fuzzy Knut's frolicking. "The zoo must kill the bear."

When Knut - or "Cute Knut," as the 8.7 kilogram (19 pound) bear has become known - was born last December, his mother ignored him and his brother, who later died. Zoo officials intervened, choosing to raise the cub themselves.

 

Activists argue that it is inappropriate for a predator, known for its fierceness and ability to fend for itself in the wild, to be snuggled

But Albrecht and other activists fret that it is inappropriate for a predator, known for its fierceness and ability to fend for itself in the wild, to be snuggled, bottle-fed and made a poster child by zookeepers - and even star-photographer Annie Leibovitz.

The activists argue that current treatment of the cub is inhumane and could lead to future difficulties interacting with fellow polar bears.

"They cannot domesticate a wild animal," Ruediger Schmiedel, head of the Foundation for Bears, told Der Spiegel weekly in its Monday edition.

They cite a similar case of a baby sloth bear that was abandoned by its mother last December in the Leipzig city zoo and killed by lethal injection, rather than being kept alive by humans.

But he is the Berlin Zoo's bear and their veterinarian Andre Schuele, charged with caring for Knut, disagrees.

"These criticisms make me angry, but you can't take them so seriously," Andre Schuele said.

"Polar bears live alone in the wild; I see no logical reason why this bear should be killed."

Schuele also argued that given the increased rarity of polar bears in the wild, it makes sense to keep them alive in captivity so that they can be bred.

"Polar bears are under threat of extinction, and if we feed the bear with a bottle, it has a good chance of growing up and perhaps becoming attractive as a stud for other zoos," Schuele said.

Knut, who recently posed for a photo shoot with Leibovitz for an environmental protection campaign, is scheduled to make his public debut at the zoo later this week or early next week, according to Schuele.

Until then, Germans can follow the bear's progress in a vast photo spread and videos of Knut drinking from his bottle, bathing and playing with teddy bears and soccer balls, all available on the zoo's Web site.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: animalrights; bear; cute; cuteknut; ecofascism; extremecuteness; knut; knutcute; polarbear; restinpeace; rip
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To: Stoat
I'm wondering if these 'animal rights' activists release these insane statements to the press only to get publicity for their organization....but then who would respond (financially) to such publicity? People who believe such sentiments. I suppose they have written off any chances of appealing to sane people, and are focusing entirely upon recruiting the ultra-loony moonbat contingent, only.

On FR the other day somebody said that we're now at the awkward stage where we can't work withing the system but it's too early to shoot people.

61 posted on 03/20/2007 11:00:26 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Lee Heggy123
Wait until that bear is a full grown 800 or 900 lbs and then if the animal rights-wackos want to kill him let them draw straws to see who gets the chance up close and personal.

Then we could film it and fund a polar bear rescue foundation with the pay-per-view revenue.

BTW, were those really Wilde's last words? If so, talk about being a wit to the last!

62 posted on 03/20/2007 11:04:02 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: the anti-liberal
In fact, I wonder if much of the insanity we've been seeing as of late mightn't stem from their closures (back in the Clinton days, I believe?)...

Earlier than that. Their closure was one of the reasons for the upsurge in homelessness which the media blamed on Reagan's economic policies.

63 posted on 03/20/2007 11:15:11 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Stoat

YIKES!! Think that man's a homo now?


64 posted on 03/20/2007 11:23:51 AM PDT by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: MissEdie
YIKES!! Think that man's a homo now?

Well, if he's so mentally weak and deranged as to spout the idiocy that he does, I suppose anything's possible.  And if someone's extremely weak minded, I suppose being surrounded by 'women' who look like Rosie O'Donnell might make them go queer, if he didn't start out that way.  For the rest of us it would just make us really ticked off all the time.

65 posted on 03/20/2007 7:18:31 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I'm wondering if these 'animal rights' activists release these insane statements to the press only to get publicity for their organization....but then who would respond (financially) to such publicity? People who believe such sentiments. I suppose they have written off any chances of appealing to sane people, and are focusing entirely upon recruiting the ultra-loony moonbat contingent, only.

On FR the other day somebody said that we're now at the awkward stage where we can't work withing the system but it's too early to shoot people.

It's always a good plan to leave it in the holster.  Once it comes out of the holster, life takes on a whole new dimension.

I vote for 'working harder' within the system, and gritting our teeth during the rough spots. 

66 posted on 03/20/2007 7:23:03 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

The insane thing is that large mammals like this (and whales, lions, tigers, dolphins, etc.) are kept in captivity and certain zoos and companies are essentially given monopolies to do so by governments. These animals suffer, die at a young age, and do not represent the real animal behavior (they are like the original with mental and physical disabilities, only they were deliberately made that way by people). They maim and kill their "expert" caretakers with amazing frequency. One picture or a day at the zoo does not tell the entire story.

I am all for allowing people to do whatever they want, and I am a conservative. But wanting to save this "cute" cub is not a logical conservaative view. What do you think would happen if I tried to start my own neighborhood polar bear viewing business? No way I could get approval. Here is how it would have to work: I would have to illegally capture the animal, then have enough money to pay off the government in order to continue my business. That's how it has worked historically. Large animals like this are unhealthy and miserable in captivity. I have seen it, and anyone can research the history and the facts.

The cub should not be killed, but it should not be there. It is not a cute cartoon. It will grow and want to roam, become bored, pace in the small area (really a prison), never have a chance to act naturally. One day a zookeeper who thinks like most people posting on this board will think they can pet it like their cat or dog; because, of course they think they have developed a special relationship with the animal (only them). Then the zoo's general manager will be explaining a little later that the zookeeper died as a result of making a procedural mistake.

Animals become extinct. It happens all the time. People will become extinct one day. That doesn't mean we have to create zoos to keep a "copy" because they are cute. They generate revenue.....that was the only reason they were captured originally and the only reason they are treated as well as they are now. They are still treated poorly at best overall in every zoo - even the best in the world. They are treated poorly because they are not kept for any legitimate environmental or even scientific cause, but to make money.


67 posted on 03/20/2007 9:24:33 PM PDT by reversechapter
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To: reversechapter
So, it seems that the commentary on this thread has inflamed you so much that you felt the need to join Free Republic just to tell us off.  I'm flattered, as this tells me that we're pressing the right buttons and calling things, appropriately, what they are.  This is one of the more gratifying things that's happened since a Sinn Fein / IRA cheerleader called me a 'fascist'....I was jubilant for days.

You feel the need to tell us that you're 'a conservative' (something a true conservative would never need to do in this way because it shows in the values behind what we say) but then you march down the traditional Leftist laundry list of afflictions such as your hatred of 'corporations' and profit, while citing points that have no basis in fact and ignore the circumstance of the situation as presented in the article.  You remind me of so many Leftists who call in to talk radio shows and proclaim themselves as being "a conservative" and then proceed to say things indistinguishable from the generic street-corner ranting Marxist. 

If you in the 'animal rights' fringe are interested in winning the hearts and minds of mainstream, normal and sane people, you will need to educate yourselves to a considerably higher degree on the the subjects upon which you pontificate; but then if you did that you would quickly realize the innumerable flaws of the 'animal rights' (anti-human / anti-capitalist) movement and would leave it posthaste.

Welcome to Free Republic.

68 posted on 03/21/2007 7:05:59 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
It's always a good plan to leave it in the holster.

I heartily agree.

69 posted on 03/21/2007 8:10:30 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: reversechapter; Stoat; Admin Moderator

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70 posted on 03/21/2007 8:16:26 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Mr. Silverback
LMAO!!!

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71 posted on 03/21/2007 8:32:13 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

LOL! Welcome aboard, sucker!


72 posted on 03/21/2007 8:37:42 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge
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Troll spotted at post #67

(I'm hoping that the Mods won't pull the whole thread over the presence of one Troll)

73 posted on 03/21/2007 8:51:03 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: reversechapter; Darksheare; Mr. Silverback
The insane thing is that large mammals like this (and whales, lions, tigers, dolphins, etc.) are kept in captivity and certain zoos and companies are essentially given monopolies to do so by governments. These animals suffer, die at a young age, and do not represent the real animal behavior (they are like the original with mental and physical disabilities, only they were deliberately made that way by people). They maim and kill their "expert" caretakers with amazing frequency. One picture or a day at the zoo does not tell the entire story.

Prove it


74 posted on 03/21/2007 9:40:46 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Stoat

Too bad this animal rights nitwit's Mother didn't abandon him!


75 posted on 03/21/2007 9:55:10 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: Redleg Duke
Too bad this animal rights nitwit's Mother didn't abandon him!

hehe!  Perhaps it could be said that he was abandoned in a sense, in that he obviously didn't receive any sort of reality-based grounding that a competent mother would normally provide.

 

76 posted on 03/21/2007 9:59:52 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Varda
Don't get me started on Peter Singer. According to him, my 14-year old son should have been killed at birth.

His crime...Mild Type A Hemophilia!

77 posted on 03/21/2007 10:01:12 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: Stoat

I hope they raise this wonderful bear to adulthood, and then throw all activists into his habitat.


78 posted on 03/21/2007 10:02:24 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Lockbar
I hope they raise this wonderful bear to adulthood, and then throw all activists into his habitat.

Although I applaud your sentiments, I question the nutritional value of a scrawny, hysterical and unwashed Marxist.  My goal would be to take good care of this fine bear, and part of that would be insuring a proper diet.  The food value of Leftists is probably an area that deserves more study   :-)

Your post reminds me of the event which occurred, I think, sometime last year, in which  a husband and wife decided that they would give a birthday cake to a group of chimpanzees (or some other largish monkey) in an enclosed cage at a zoo or sanctuary.  They were let into the cage with the primates and were summarily attacked and horribly mutilated by these apes who didn't understand the mental derangement (animal rights zealotry)  that the husband and wife were suffering from.  It was all over the press and I seem to recall at least one FR thread devoted to it. 

79 posted on 03/21/2007 10:13:36 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: reversechapter

You sound like this guy:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1793746/posts


80 posted on 03/21/2007 3:00:17 PM PDT by Darksheare (She had the face of a trucker. She used it as a purse.)
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