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To: Stoat

The insane thing is that large mammals like this (and whales, lions, tigers, dolphins, etc.) are kept in captivity and certain zoos and companies are essentially given monopolies to do so by governments. These animals suffer, die at a young age, and do not represent the real animal behavior (they are like the original with mental and physical disabilities, only they were deliberately made that way by people). They maim and kill their "expert" caretakers with amazing frequency. One picture or a day at the zoo does not tell the entire story.

I am all for allowing people to do whatever they want, and I am a conservative. But wanting to save this "cute" cub is not a logical conservaative view. What do you think would happen if I tried to start my own neighborhood polar bear viewing business? No way I could get approval. Here is how it would have to work: I would have to illegally capture the animal, then have enough money to pay off the government in order to continue my business. That's how it has worked historically. Large animals like this are unhealthy and miserable in captivity. I have seen it, and anyone can research the history and the facts.

The cub should not be killed, but it should not be there. It is not a cute cartoon. It will grow and want to roam, become bored, pace in the small area (really a prison), never have a chance to act naturally. One day a zookeeper who thinks like most people posting on this board will think they can pet it like their cat or dog; because, of course they think they have developed a special relationship with the animal (only them). Then the zoo's general manager will be explaining a little later that the zookeeper died as a result of making a procedural mistake.

Animals become extinct. It happens all the time. People will become extinct one day. That doesn't mean we have to create zoos to keep a "copy" because they are cute. They generate revenue.....that was the only reason they were captured originally and the only reason they are treated as well as they are now. They are still treated poorly at best overall in every zoo - even the best in the world. They are treated poorly because they are not kept for any legitimate environmental or even scientific cause, but to make money.


67 posted on 03/20/2007 9:24:33 PM PDT by reversechapter
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To: reversechapter
So, it seems that the commentary on this thread has inflamed you so much that you felt the need to join Free Republic just to tell us off.  I'm flattered, as this tells me that we're pressing the right buttons and calling things, appropriately, what they are.  This is one of the more gratifying things that's happened since a Sinn Fein / IRA cheerleader called me a 'fascist'....I was jubilant for days.

You feel the need to tell us that you're 'a conservative' (something a true conservative would never need to do in this way because it shows in the values behind what we say) but then you march down the traditional Leftist laundry list of afflictions such as your hatred of 'corporations' and profit, while citing points that have no basis in fact and ignore the circumstance of the situation as presented in the article.  You remind me of so many Leftists who call in to talk radio shows and proclaim themselves as being "a conservative" and then proceed to say things indistinguishable from the generic street-corner ranting Marxist. 

If you in the 'animal rights' fringe are interested in winning the hearts and minds of mainstream, normal and sane people, you will need to educate yourselves to a considerably higher degree on the the subjects upon which you pontificate; but then if you did that you would quickly realize the innumerable flaws of the 'animal rights' (anti-human / anti-capitalist) movement and would leave it posthaste.

Welcome to Free Republic.

68 posted on 03/21/2007 7:05:59 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: reversechapter; Stoat; Admin Moderator

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70 posted on 03/21/2007 8:16:26 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge
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Troll spotted at post #67

(I'm hoping that the Mods won't pull the whole thread over the presence of one Troll)

73 posted on 03/21/2007 8:51:03 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: reversechapter; Darksheare; Mr. Silverback
The insane thing is that large mammals like this (and whales, lions, tigers, dolphins, etc.) are kept in captivity and certain zoos and companies are essentially given monopolies to do so by governments. These animals suffer, die at a young age, and do not represent the real animal behavior (they are like the original with mental and physical disabilities, only they were deliberately made that way by people). They maim and kill their "expert" caretakers with amazing frequency. One picture or a day at the zoo does not tell the entire story.

Prove it


74 posted on 03/21/2007 9:40:46 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: reversechapter

You sound like this guy:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1793746/posts


80 posted on 03/21/2007 3:00:17 PM PDT by Darksheare (She had the face of a trucker. She used it as a purse.)
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To: reversechapter
The cub should not be killed, but it should not be there.

Irrational argument. The cub is there. Whether it should be is not the issue.

The cub exists, in the zoo, where it is being lovingly cared for by two-footed polar bears with pants. What do you suggest now?

82 posted on 03/23/2007 4:20:27 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (I made it home! Hello, Seattle! It's Raining! Woo Hoo!)
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To: reversechapter

Interesting that your first two posts on FR ever are troll posts.


98 posted on 03/19/2011 12:18:55 PM PDT by Darksheare (Dear Interdimensional Monstrosity, I fear our relationship has taken a turn for the worse...)
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