Giuliani backtracks on smoking comment (smoke Nazi)

TCM ^ | 9/19/03 | staff

[pissant]

A day after he implied that Ireland should not follow New York City’s example and pass a ban on smoking in all workplaces, Rudolph Giuliani called Mayor Michael Bloomberg to say that was not what he meant.

Bloomberg said the former mayor told him that he meant that Ireland, which currently has no smoking restrictions, should begin to restrict smoking slowly, rather than all at once.

“He just thought that sometimes you go partways to get there, let people adjust and then go the rest of the way,” Bloomberg said yesterday.

Giuliani said that it made more sense to restrict smoking to certain areas.

[Hot Tabasco]

you go partways to get there, let people adjust and then go the rest of the way

Well, I give the guy a lot of credit, he knows how to play the game of "incrementalism"......... That would also explain his game plan on gun control.

Hotay den, McLaim and da Rudy in my opinion are hands off. Who's left?

[justshutupandtakeit]

"The anti smoking forces spent over $9 million for the Florida smoking ban.......as opposed to the less than $900,000 the opponents were able to raise,..." Yet rather than conclude that this is a POPULAR cause you prefer to blame it on some shadowy conspiracy. That money did not come from anti-smoking companies.

Money can be MADE from just about anything but that was NOT what generated this issue. Why is it so difficult to realize that most non-smokers do not want to have to smoke because you do? This is a conspiracy of the Masses not some moneyed interest.

In the US the proportion of people who smoke has declined drastically and as it declines the money going to anti-smoking programs declines as well. Their interest is that people NOT stop smoking otherwise they cannot sell their products.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The other $40 goes to taxes. Just like the majority of the cost of gasoline goes to taxes rather than the oil companies. Anti-smoking campaigns need very little money since they are overwhelmingly popular.

[Osage Orange]

I just had a La Tradicion Perdomo Reserve "Cabinet Series P" cigar...........

Very nice.

[Thumper1960]

Freedom is not having to stink like you.

Freedom is not having arrogant horses rears dictate what others may, or may not, do with their bars (property) and freedom is not having to suffer a St. Patty's Day with insufferable snots who haven't the intelligence to patronize an establishment which willingly bans/restricts smoking on its property.

It is bad enough that the "superior" crowd deems it fitting to foist its desires on others, yet whines about undue government interference in the lives of the average citizen.

Closet socialists make for very bad conservatives. If smoke bothers you so much, open your own saloon and ban smoking there. Practice conservativism and capitalism. Leave the Marxist tendencies on DU.com or the upper crust country club.

[Gabz]

But tobacco is not illegal..........do not mix apples and oranges.

The fact you are comfortable with government dictation of a private business' clientele makes me very uncomfortable.

If a business owner chooses to go smoke free based on customer input, employee input, or just owner decision - more power to him/her.............and more and more have been doing just that. There is no need for the government to force it. These bans are nothing but a power play by a highly financed group of busybodies....the same highly financed group of busybodies that are now attacking the menus of those same establishments they forced the smokers out of........Thanks for nothing.

[Madame Dufarge]

They were not aware of all the health risks involved

Did they live in a cave?

I'm 60 years old, and my grandfather (who smoked) called cigarettes "coffin nails."

[Gabz]

Yet rather than conclude that this is a POPULAR cause you prefer to blame it on some shadowy conspiracy. That money did not come from anti-smoking companies.

I don't prefer to delve into conspiracies - I know exactly what I am talking about..........that you refuse to accept the truth here is your problem and not mine.

Money can be MADE from just about anything but that was NOT what generated this issue.

BS

Why is it so difficult to realize that most non-smokers do not want to have to smoke because you do?

When it comes right down to it, most non-smokers don't care one way or the other.

This is a conspiracy of the Masses not some moneyed interest.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And because you are happy with the way things are you will remain in denial of exactly what is going on here.

In the US the proportion of people who smoke has declined drastically and as it declines the money going to anti-smoking programs declines as well.

The proportion, based upon population has declined, but the numbers have remained flat, in other words there are about the same number of smokers, for many, many years.

Their interest is that people NOT stop smoking otherwise they cannot sell their products.

I'm talking abou the anti-smoker industry, you appear to be talking in this sentence about the tobacco industry. The anti-smoker industry does not want less smokers because less smokers means less money for them and their highpaidpropagandists. Why the continual push for higher taxes on tobacco products? So they keep getting their cut of the pie. Why the big crack down on internet purchases of cigarettes? So they keep getting their cut of the pie.

States can't balance their budgets without tobacco taxes and thus it will never be made illegal.........but it doesn't stop them from using people like you to demonize those who enjoy tobacco products.

[Gabz]

Anti-smoking campaigns need very little money since they are overwhelmingly popular.

ROFLMSS!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the great laugh!!!!

[nightlight7]

Oh, please. Nicotine replacement is a tiny market and getting smaller.

Although NRT is not all that much (about 1-2 billion per year in USA, covering only the Big Pharma's "investment" into the few major "grass roots" antismoking organizations), the smoking cessation involves also sales of SSRI antidepressants, antianxiety and ADHD drugs, MAO inhibitors, dopamine stimulants... each of which dwarfs the nicotine replacement market.

If you then consider myriads of therapeutic effects of tobacco smoke, which pharmaceutical industry is quietly researching great deal, the smoking cessation market is a mere tip of the iceberg of a vast market for pharmaceutical replacements and treatments of diseases, such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, schizophrenia,... which smoking reduces by half (at any given age; or tenfold for early onset Alzheimer's), plus hundreds of other diseases and ailments against which smoking is protective or therapeutic.

The "Sickness Industry" fights, of course, via its bureaucratic attack dogs and bought politicians, all other traditional therapies and herbal remedies, but none as viciously and for as long as tobacco, the most ancient and most potent medicinal plant of them all.

[Just another Joe]

The jury is only "out" among those who do not want a verdict.

I imagine the same thing is being said by the Aryan nation nuts right now too.

Show me a preponderance of scientific evidence, even a majority, that ETS causes anything but a minor temporary irritation.

When you can show me that I'll consider accepting the notion that the government has ANY business enacting a smoking ban ANTWHERE except a private residence.

Right now the scientific studies run about 20% for causing ANYTHING and about 80% against.

[Just another Joe]

Anti-smoking campaigns need very little money since they are overwhelmingly popular.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Now I KNOW you don't know what you're talking about.

[EnquiringMind]

You people amaze me. And not in a good way.

So then, why don't you just ignore us?

[Gabz]

My sentiments exactly..........

[nightlight7]

The other $40 goes to taxes. Just like the majority of the cost of gasoline goes to taxes rather than the oil companies.

The $15 I mentioned includes in my state (MA) the 5 percent state sales tax. The remaining $40 is dividied between the "sin" tax (state and federal) and the MSA extortion racket. Good chunk of that money extorted from smokers goes right back to the "Sickness Industry" via various state & federal prescription drug plans, such as for ADHD drugs and antidedpressant "for the children"... Were gasoline hypertaxed like cigarettes, you would be paying $10 per gallon and be treated like a leper every time you start your car engine.

Tobacco, being a traditional medicinal plant, like tea or aloe, should be taxed just like those, the regular sales tax at most (as the most beneficial medicinal plant of them all, healthy and therapeutic for its users and those lucky to get a free whiff of its healing smoke, it should be exempt altogether). The whole anitsmoking "science" is a con job, created and peddled by those extorting vast billions from smokers based on it.

Antismoking hysterics and nannies are irrelevant in all this -- they are a mere cover and diversion for the underlying con, the real money being extorted. You think anyone would give a hoot about their sensitive noses, were it not for the billions being extorted behind the hysteria.

[EnquiringMind]

What a weakling. Take responsibility for your own actions.

BS. I have no desire to quit.

It takes patience, determination, and guts to quit smoking. But that is not something you can relate to.

You have the nerve to call me a weakling? That is BS.

[383rr]

Glad to see you here, nightlight.

[383rr]

Did I read that right?

Good Lord, how the sheeple have been duped.

[383rr]

Lol

I see we have some new statists coming to the party.

[isom35]

any ideas on why these 2 knuckleheads are discussing what a foreign country should do?