Giuliani backtracks on smoking comment (smoke Nazi)

TCM ^ | 9/19/03 | staff

[pissant]

A day after he implied that Ireland should not follow New York City’s example and pass a ban on smoking in all workplaces, Rudolph Giuliani called Mayor Michael Bloomberg to say that was not what he meant.

Bloomberg said the former mayor told him that he meant that Ireland, which currently has no smoking restrictions, should begin to restrict smoking slowly, rather than all at once.

“He just thought that sometimes you go partways to get there, let people adjust and then go the rest of the way,” Bloomberg said yesterday.

Giuliani said that it made more sense to restrict smoking to certain areas.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Oh, please. Nicotine replacement is a tiny market and getting smaller. I doubt there is any significant money spent by them. They don't have to. People have turned against smoking from their own experience especially that of watching their loved ones die too soon because of it.

Tobacco companies stay out of this because they know it is a losing propostion.

[pissant]

True enough. That's why they have bars for smokers (BTW most cigar bars have excellent ventillation) and bars for non smokers.

Wash state libs also passed a ban, and now the Indian casinos are raking in the dollars that used to go to small tavern owners. Unintended consequences.

[Gabz]

If my establishment is a cigar bar, and a smoking ban is passed my license has essentially been taken away from me for no reason. Your smoking ban has just dictated my clientele and taken away my livelihood.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Only some diseases.

[newguy357]

I am thankful that my state passed strict smoking laws, it helped me quit. All smokers want to quit, they just don't all admit it.

yeea i tink u r on 2 sum thing. i want 2 ecksersize mor butt dont hav the attenshun span. we need guvermunt 2 saive us. thay shude hav law that we must all eckserxize 1 hour every day.

/sarc

You people amaze me. And not in a good way.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The fact that people have a significant interest in this issue does not mean there is some monied force behind it.
This was a grassroots effort initially growing from those concerned about public health. Groups organizing around that concern came after the grassroots efforts.

The impetus came from DOCTORS almost fifty years ago. Governments didn't get involved for thirty or forty years and then only after public pressure. After all their bread was being buttered by the bar owners and dining establishments who adamently OPPOSED these laws.

[EternalVigilance]

Once again, your screen name proves to be perfectly fitted to you, the ultimate FR nanny stater.

[calcowgirl]

You likely don't even know what is IN the Communist Manifesto. No countries have as high a proportion of smokers as the socialist Europeans and the Communist ones either.

You obviously aren't referring to my post--which was commenting on Public licensing laws in general, not limited to smoking.

[Gabz]

The anti smoking industry is a multi-billion dollar proposition. The anti smoking forces spent over $9 million for the Florida smoking ban.......as opposed to the less than $900,000 the opponents were able to raise, some of which did come from the tobacco industry.

The anti-smoker cartel screams bloody murder on a regular basis that states aren't using enough of the MSA extortion money to further demonize smokers and pass even more restrictive rules/laws/regulations/ordinances.

It's big business, I know, I've been following the issue for 20 years. Even the professional anti-smokers all admit that there is money to be made in it.

Anyone claiming NRT is a small and declining market is delusional, it is a multi-billion dollar industry and grows by the year.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Should smoking be allowed on public transit or buses?

"Free" markets have ALWAYS been constrained by Laws in any case.

[Tall_Texan]

Ah, yes, the old "boiling frog" style of totalitarianism.

[Gabz]

Should smoking be allowed on public transit or buses?

That's just it.........you can't tell the difference between public and private.

[Madame Dufarge]

How's your liver doing?

[justshutupandtakeit]

"As for ETS causing harm, do your concerns also carry over to car exhaust? Smoke from your neighbor's fireplace chimney? Your, our your neighbor's, grill?" Yes they do. I avoid breathing any of those and try not to impose smoke from my activities on them.


The jury is only "out" among those who do not want a verdict. How is it that I can always detect a heavy smoker from the sound of their voice and breathing? And why do I feel it the next day after being in heavy smoke?

[Lijahsbubbe]

He just thought that sometimes you go partways to get there, let people adjust and then go the rest of the way,” Bloomberg said yesterday.

Partial birth abortion?

[nightlight7]

Certainly the "haves" in the smoking fight are the Tobacco companies and the bar owners.

Let's see -- out of $55 per carton in my state, the Big Tobacco plus tobacco farmers and retail gross all together about $15, while the $40 goes to the Big Antitobacco (Big Pharma + Big Med and their bureaucratic attack dogs). And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the antismoking swindle.

There is no big money interest pushing anti-smoking ordinances.

Yeah sure, provided you consider several billions every year in USA alone, for antismoking "science", paybacks to buraucratic enforcers and politicians, creation and funding of a "grass roots" antismoking and "smoking-related" disease organizations,... just a "little" money. It is a "little money" only compared to how much they extort from smokers based on these "investments".

[justshutupandtakeit]

Smoking in public or public establishments is not a right.
Like all other behavior it is subject to public sanction.

Property owners can run their businesses as they see fit as long as the laws are abided by. That is the real issue here.

Americans have VAST opportunities today far more than they ever had.

[Thumper1960]

Finally, someone admits they're better off having others decide how they should live their life.

It's OK for you, but I prefer to think for myself, live for myself and decide for myself.

For the future, you really ought to get some really good sweat bands for those wrists and ankles--it'll lessen the chafing from those shackles.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Opium dens used to be legal too. So?

Here in Chicago bars' licenses can be taken away if sufficient numbers of people sign a petition. When there is too much BS traced to a bar after hours or too much use of police resources that can result in shutting them down even if they have been run the same way for decades.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Public licensing have nothing to do with the Communist Manifesto at all.