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Giuliani backtracks on smoking comment (smoke Nazi)
TCM ^ | 9/19/03 | staff

Posted on 03/19/2007 10:22:16 AM PDT by pissant

A day after he implied that Ireland should not follow New York City’s example and pass a ban on smoking in all workplaces, Rudolph Giuliani called Mayor Michael Bloomberg to say that was not what he meant.

Bloomberg said the former mayor told him that he meant that Ireland, which currently has no smoking restrictions, should begin to restrict smoking slowly, rather than all at once.

“He just thought that sometimes you go partways to get there, let people adjust and then go the rest of the way,” Bloomberg said yesterday.

Giuliani said that it made more sense to restrict smoking to certain areas.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; giuliani; nannystate; pufflist; rudy; smoking; smokingbans
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To: TitansAFC

Rudy bans list:
smoking, guns, border security, unwanted babies, hetrosexual marriage,..........


101 posted on 03/19/2007 12:04:26 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: EnquiringMind
"I said that I am happy that in my state restaurants are smoke free... Twist that into whatever floats your boat, big guy."
_____________________________________________________________

Why should I "twist" your words, when you're doing that job so well yourself.

Here's what you actually said --

EnquiringMind [post 13]: "I am thankful that my state passed strict smoking laws."

There's a world of difference between saying you're happy that restaurants are smoke-free and saying that you're happy that restaurants are forced by government to be smoke-free.

Your happy feelings are not the issue under discussion. Government intrusion into personal choice is the issue -- no matter how much you twist your own words and then accuse others of twisting them.

102 posted on 03/19/2007 12:08:24 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
I knew he fit the terms of that list but his statement about confiscating cars even on acquittal of DUI is new to me. It's stunning. It far surpasses Hillary's "take things for your own good" statement as a statist position. I don't know about his election law proposition either. His positions on gun banning and baby killing mean I don't need to research him any further.

To me these new revelations (to me) just help clarify what his supporters are really all about.

103 posted on 03/19/2007 12:09:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: pissant

Fortunately for Rudy no one really believes that not even you.


104 posted on 03/19/2007 12:10:58 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: TitansAFC

You ignore the third alternative: that people will actually see what was said.

No one cares about restricting smoking in some areas. That certainly is not a vote loser in any case.


105 posted on 03/19/2007 12:13:08 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: ichabod1

"WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"

But MOST important BS is BS.


106 posted on 03/19/2007 12:14:29 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: pissant; TitansAFC
This is nothing but a cheap, shameful propaganda hit piece from you guys designed to inflame anti-Rudy sentiment on FR among the thousands of nanny state haters here. I expected better from you.

Rudy does not support smoker bans.

Don't take my word for it, ask the smoke Nazi's themselves:

HIZZONER ISN'T HOT ON TOUGHER ANTI-SMOKING LAW : Courtesy of ASH's website.

Giuliani on smoking bans from a 2003 NY Slimes Article: Also from ASH, the group founded by John Banzhaf.

And I don't need any links to remember exactly what Rudy said when asked his opinion about King Bloomberg I and his ban. I remember it very well and it is seared into my memory: He said "I just don't understand it. Some people like to have a cigarette after their meal."

107 posted on 03/19/2007 12:15:48 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

No, fortunately for Rudy, there are lots of folks here and elsewhere willing to overlook the similarities.


108 posted on 03/19/2007 12:18:23 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: EternalVigilance

How dumb does someone have to be not to know that the heaviest smokers in the world are in socialist countries?

All the big commies were heavy smokers: Stalin, Mao, Ho, Castro, Huey Newton.

In advanced capitalist nations the smoking rate has plummeted. Only in Third World ratholes, European states and socialist havens are the numbers of smokers still high.


109 posted on 03/19/2007 12:18:43 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Oliver Optic
Maybe Bloomberg was misquoting Rudy, but if not ... that statement is beyond scary.

Exactly. This is nothing but hearsay...Mary heard that Bob said Rudy said this. It would be thrown out of court. And it's no coincedence that the NY Times had the same exact article in todays paper.

110 posted on 03/19/2007 12:18:47 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: philman_36

I really do not care if you enjoy sitting in a smokey bar. Be my guest.


111 posted on 03/19/2007 12:21:17 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Rita Hayworth

GD Commie how dare you stand you for your rights? Don't you know real Americans smoke themselves into the grave? It is in the Constitution!!!!


112 posted on 03/19/2007 12:21:48 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: EnquiringMind

Seig Heil!!!

I quit smoking on my own. Someone who needs nanny state coercion to quit smoking is a sheeple. BAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH...

How's the herd?


113 posted on 03/19/2007 12:22:12 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Gabz
Just gotta post it in light of your comment.

Amateur Night

The streets were quiet this day
As along to work I made my way

The revelers were all sleeping, getting their rest
For tonight they would party… party their best

The party would start early and go until late
Tomorrow would be different, it had to be fate

The children would all get a sip of the wine
The drinks would flow and BOY they’d taste fine

The streets were quiet this morn as I went
It seemed like a boiler whose steam wouldn’t vent

If anyone thinks that by now they’d awaken
The thing to do that is the smell of bacon

But their wives were all snuggled beside them in bed
While visions of the party danced round in their head

“No bacon for you” their wifeys would say
“We have to sleep hard for most of the day”

The streets were all quiet as I made my way
I remembered the times I had in my day

We’re no longer young, we have to rest up
Tonight there’ll be no alcohol left in our cup

Our brains will be tiddly, we’ll feel so good
No hangovers tomorrow, knock on wood

I cannot see what is good anymore
About winding up drunk on the floor

The streets were so quiet, I played a song
Loud on my stereo as I went along

If I wake those revelers, (Oh Dear, Oh Dear)
I will not back down, I will not show fear

If they were good employees, like me
It’s already at work they would be

Normal people, tonight, don’t go out for fright
For tonight, you see, is AMATUER NIGHT!

114 posted on 03/19/2007 12:23:40 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
How dumb does someone have to be not to know that the heaviest smokers in the world are in socialist countries?

All the big commies were heavy smokers: Stalin, Mao, Ho, Castro, Huey Newton.

In advanced capitalist nations the smoking rate has plummeted. Only in Third World ratholes, European states and socialist havens are the numbers of smokers still high.

So, what are you proving, except that socialism breeds unhealthy behavior? Take away people's liberty, and they'll take whatever little pleasures they can find.

Are you defending Giuliani's brand of incremental socialism?

115 posted on 03/19/2007 12:24:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations that became indifferent to God and died." - WC)
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To: dirtboy

Public licensing laws trump property rights. No one has the right to do ANYTHING they wish with their property. Certainly businesses licensed by public authority must conform to the requirements of the license.


116 posted on 03/19/2007 12:25:23 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: EnquiringMind; Rita Hayworth
Hi ladies. I was just paged and it looks like I got here just in time. Let me introduce myself...I am a fully trained psychologist specializing in Nanny State Behavior Syndrome (NSBS). This liberal, left wing, social engineering disease is horrible and can strike anyone at anytime. It can even strike Conservatives like you who believe in free markets and limited government.

Thankfully, Dr. Feel (a wholly owned subsiduary of Dr. Phil) is here to help you work through your problems. Although I must say that 95% smoker haters fall into the category of A like Rita. They just understandably don't like to be in a smoky place. But MoldableMind, your case is a little unusual. I have only treated a few C's with your exact symptoms.

Please answer the questionaire below, so I know how best to treat you. And please have your insurance card ready for the wallet biopsy. This is a Capitalist country and I don't work for free.

I discriminate against smokers because:

A. The smell of smoke is icky and yucky, it makes my hair and clothes stink and I hate walking into a bar/restaurant where people are smoking. So rather than take advantage of the free market and go somewhere that is voluntarily smoke free, I would rather use the power of the state to impose my personal preference on my fellow citizens.

B. My beloved ___________ (choose one: husband, wife, father, mother, brother, sister, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, maid, dog, cat, goldfish, gay lover) died from _________(choose one: cancer, heart disease, emphysema, car crash, train wreck, terrorist attack, sting ray) because of their smoking.

C. I smoked for _____ (years) and now I am ________ (choose one: sick, dead, born again, enlightened, ashamed of myself) and want to share my experience with others.

D. The Big Tobacco companies are lying scumbags and must pay! (you're not coming down off the mountain with the tablets there)

E. I represent Big Pharmaceutical interests that benefit from the anti-smoking movement because it increases the sales of our Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) products.

F. I am a deeply caring individual in the mold of Mother Theresa and I am speaking out due to my benevolent, philanthropic, altruistic concern about the health of my fellow man.

G. I am a research scientist and grant junky, and if I don't tow the party line my grant money will disappear.

H. I'm just a garden variety Fascist and Totalitarian and get a ______ (choose one: cheap thrill, natural high, erection, orgasm) by imposing my will on other people.

I. I am a retard who believes in bogus studies, junk science, the Easter Bunny and the Toothfairy. I fear that because I walked into a bar on Spring Break in 1987, and was exposed to Second Hand Smoke I now suffer from ______(choose one: AIDS, Herpes, Athletes Foot, Jock Itch, male pattern baldness, or genital warts)

J. I am a disgruntled, prissy and angry employee of a ______(choose one: bar, restaurant, club, casino) who can't leave the job because I am a _______(choose one: slave, indentured servant, sweatshop laborer, illegal immigrant) and had no idea there was smoking going on in the place before I took the job.

K. An elected public serpent, serving as a _____ (choose one: State Assemblywoman, Senator, Freeholder, city councilman, mayor) and I have failed miserably in my job and trying to tackle really tough problems like _____ (choose one: gang violence, income taxes, property taxes, crime, corruption), so I will support a smoking ban based on the talking points and literature that "M" has given me and claim that I have actually accomplished something to help my constituents.

L. A Socialist liberal Democrat who is desperate for Universal Healthcare so the proletariet will continue to keep me in power. But if I don't do something about the "demand side" health care costs caused by such global health menaces as _________ (choose one: Marlboro, Merit, Kool, Big Macs, Whoppers, Chicken McNuggets, Budweiser, Coors, Jack Daniels) my health care entitlement program will go ________ (choose your adjective: broke, belly up, bankrupt, insolvent).

M. A professional anti-tobacco activist who makes $450,000 per year. MY GOAL IS TO REDUCE SMOKING RATES FROM 25% TO BELOW 10%. KICKING THEM OUT OF THEIR FAVORITE BAR AND RESTAURANT IS JUST A SMALL STEP TO COERCE THEM TO QUIT. I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE SHS NONSENSE MYSELF! Don't you dare try to ban cigarettes, if you do I will have to go back to my previous job ______(choose one: prostitute, drug dealer, pimp, state assemblyman, mayor) where I won't make nearly as much money and the bank will foreclose on my seaside villa and repo my _______(choose one: Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Hummer, Infiniti, Acura,Jaguar, Volvo, Bentley). I take advantage of the prejudices of categories A-L above to accomplish my goal.

N. I don't fit any of the above categories, I just like to argue with people.

117 posted on 03/19/2007 12:28:03 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Rita Hayworth
For all but the bar owners who property rights have been abridged so thaty can no longer accommodate their smoking clientele, and for those poor, despised lepers, the smokers.
118 posted on 03/19/2007 12:28:13 PM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: EternalVigilance

"Are you defending Giuliani's brand of incremental socialism?"

The person you're posting to will defend almost any use of government power.


119 posted on 03/19/2007 12:29:40 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: FreedomNeocon; pissant

"But I'm starting to get a sick feeling in my stomach now that people are PAYING staffers to post..." Nah, people are speaking their minds they are not being paid. We don't have to agree or approve of their style but we are hearing what people believe to be the truth and what would be best for the nation.

The VAST majority of the posts are sincere and the honest reflection of the views of the posters.


120 posted on 03/19/2007 12:30:05 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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