Posted on 03/19/2007 10:22:16 AM PDT by pissant
Rudy bans list:
smoking, guns, border security, unwanted babies, hetrosexual marriage,..........
Why should I "twist" your words, when you're doing that job so well yourself.
Here's what you actually said --
There's a world of difference between saying you're happy that restaurants are smoke-free and saying that you're happy that restaurants are forced by government to be smoke-free.
Your happy feelings are not the issue under discussion. Government intrusion into personal choice is the issue -- no matter how much you twist your own words and then accuse others of twisting them.
To me these new revelations (to me) just help clarify what his supporters are really all about.
Fortunately for Rudy no one really believes that not even you.
You ignore the third alternative: that people will actually see what was said.
No one cares about restricting smoking in some areas. That certainly is not a vote loser in any case.
"WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"
But MOST important BS is BS.
Don't take my word for it, ask the smoke Nazi's themselves:
HIZZONER ISN'T HOT ON TOUGHER ANTI-SMOKING LAW : Courtesy of ASH's website.
Giuliani on smoking bans from a 2003 NY Slimes Article: Also from ASH, the group founded by John Banzhaf.
And I don't need any links to remember exactly what Rudy said when asked his opinion about King Bloomberg I and his ban. I remember it very well and it is seared into my memory: He said "I just don't understand it. Some people like to have a cigarette after their meal."
No, fortunately for Rudy, there are lots of folks here and elsewhere willing to overlook the similarities.
How dumb does someone have to be not to know that the heaviest smokers in the world are in socialist countries?
All the big commies were heavy smokers: Stalin, Mao, Ho, Castro, Huey Newton.
In advanced capitalist nations the smoking rate has plummeted. Only in Third World ratholes, European states and socialist havens are the numbers of smokers still high.
Exactly. This is nothing but hearsay...Mary heard that Bob said Rudy said this. It would be thrown out of court. And it's no coincedence that the NY Times had the same exact article in todays paper.
I really do not care if you enjoy sitting in a smokey bar. Be my guest.
GD Commie how dare you stand you for your rights? Don't you know real Americans smoke themselves into the grave? It is in the Constitution!!!!
Seig Heil!!!
I quit smoking on my own. Someone who needs nanny state coercion to quit smoking is a sheeple. BAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH...
How's the herd?
Amateur Night
The streets were quiet this day
As along to work I made my way
The revelers were all sleeping, getting their rest
For tonight they would party
party their best
The party would start early and go until late
Tomorrow would be different, it had to be fate
The children would all get a sip of the wine
The drinks would flow and BOY theyd taste fine
The streets were quiet this morn as I went
It seemed like a boiler whose steam wouldnt vent
If anyone thinks that by now theyd awaken
The thing to do that is the smell of bacon
But their wives were all snuggled beside them in bed
While visions of the party danced round in their head
No bacon for you their wifeys would say
We have to sleep hard for most of the day
The streets were all quiet as I made my way
I remembered the times I had in my day
Were no longer young, we have to rest up
Tonight therell be no alcohol left in our cup
Our brains will be tiddly, well feel so good
No hangovers tomorrow, knock on wood
I cannot see what is good anymore
About winding up drunk on the floor
The streets were so quiet, I played a song
Loud on my stereo as I went along
If I wake those revelers, (Oh Dear, Oh Dear)
I will not back down, I will not show fear
If they were good employees, like me
Its already at work they would be
Normal people, tonight, dont go out for fright
For tonight, you see, is AMATUER NIGHT!
All the big commies were heavy smokers: Stalin, Mao, Ho, Castro, Huey Newton.
In advanced capitalist nations the smoking rate has plummeted. Only in Third World ratholes, European states and socialist havens are the numbers of smokers still high.
So, what are you proving, except that socialism breeds unhealthy behavior? Take away people's liberty, and they'll take whatever little pleasures they can find.
Are you defending Giuliani's brand of incremental socialism?
Public licensing laws trump property rights. No one has the right to do ANYTHING they wish with their property. Certainly businesses licensed by public authority must conform to the requirements of the license.
Thankfully, Dr. Feel (a wholly owned subsiduary of Dr. Phil) is here to help you work through your problems. Although I must say that 95% smoker haters fall into the category of A like Rita. They just understandably don't like to be in a smoky place. But MoldableMind, your case is a little unusual. I have only treated a few C's with your exact symptoms.
Please answer the questionaire below, so I know how best to treat you. And please have your insurance card ready for the wallet biopsy. This is a Capitalist country and I don't work for free.
I discriminate against smokers because:
A. The smell of smoke is icky and yucky, it makes my hair and clothes stink and I hate walking into a bar/restaurant where people are smoking. So rather than take advantage of the free market and go somewhere that is voluntarily smoke free, I would rather use the power of the state to impose my personal preference on my fellow citizens.
B. My beloved ___________ (choose one: husband, wife, father, mother, brother, sister, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, maid, dog, cat, goldfish, gay lover) died from _________(choose one: cancer, heart disease, emphysema, car crash, train wreck, terrorist attack, sting ray) because of their smoking.
C. I smoked for _____ (years) and now I am ________ (choose one: sick, dead, born again, enlightened, ashamed of myself) and want to share my experience with others.
D. The Big Tobacco companies are lying scumbags and must pay! (you're not coming down off the mountain with the tablets there)
E. I represent Big Pharmaceutical interests that benefit from the anti-smoking movement because it increases the sales of our Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) products.
F. I am a deeply caring individual in the mold of Mother Theresa and I am speaking out due to my benevolent, philanthropic, altruistic concern about the health of my fellow man.
G. I am a research scientist and grant junky, and if I don't tow the party line my grant money will disappear.
H. I'm just a garden variety Fascist and Totalitarian and get a ______ (choose one: cheap thrill, natural high, erection, orgasm) by imposing my will on other people.
I. I am a retard who believes in bogus studies, junk science, the Easter Bunny and the Toothfairy. I fear that because I walked into a bar on Spring Break in 1987, and was exposed to Second Hand Smoke I now suffer from ______(choose one: AIDS, Herpes, Athletes Foot, Jock Itch, male pattern baldness, or genital warts)
J. I am a disgruntled, prissy and angry employee of a ______(choose one: bar, restaurant, club, casino) who can't leave the job because I am a _______(choose one: slave, indentured servant, sweatshop laborer, illegal immigrant) and had no idea there was smoking going on in the place before I took the job.
K. An elected public serpent, serving as a _____ (choose one: State Assemblywoman, Senator, Freeholder, city councilman, mayor) and I have failed miserably in my job and trying to tackle really tough problems like _____ (choose one: gang violence, income taxes, property taxes, crime, corruption), so I will support a smoking ban based on the talking points and literature that "M" has given me and claim that I have actually accomplished something to help my constituents.
L. A Socialist liberal Democrat who is desperate for Universal Healthcare so the proletariet will continue to keep me in power. But if I don't do something about the "demand side" health care costs caused by such global health menaces as _________ (choose one: Marlboro, Merit, Kool, Big Macs, Whoppers, Chicken McNuggets, Budweiser, Coors, Jack Daniels) my health care entitlement program will go ________ (choose your adjective: broke, belly up, bankrupt, insolvent).
M. A professional anti-tobacco activist who makes $450,000 per year. MY GOAL IS TO REDUCE SMOKING RATES FROM 25% TO BELOW 10%. KICKING THEM OUT OF THEIR FAVORITE BAR AND RESTAURANT IS JUST A SMALL STEP TO COERCE THEM TO QUIT. I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE SHS NONSENSE MYSELF! Don't you dare try to ban cigarettes, if you do I will have to go back to my previous job ______(choose one: prostitute, drug dealer, pimp, state assemblyman, mayor) where I won't make nearly as much money and the bank will foreclose on my seaside villa and repo my _______(choose one: Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Hummer, Infiniti, Acura,Jaguar, Volvo, Bentley). I take advantage of the prejudices of categories A-L above to accomplish my goal.
N. I don't fit any of the above categories, I just like to argue with people.
"Are you defending Giuliani's brand of incremental socialism?"
The person you're posting to will defend almost any use of government power.
"But I'm starting to get a sick feeling in my stomach now that people are PAYING staffers to post..." Nah, people are speaking their minds they are not being paid. We don't have to agree or approve of their style but we are hearing what people believe to be the truth and what would be best for the nation.
The VAST majority of the posts are sincere and the honest reflection of the views of the posters.
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