Posted on 03/19/2007 9:10:53 AM PDT by George W. Bush
9/11: Book Reassesses Giuliani's Role
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In what ways?
The dumbest decision he made was to put the [city’s emergency] command center in the World Trade Center even though his principal security advisers urged him to put it elsewhere. His own emergency-management director, Jerry Hauer, wanted it to go where [current New York City Mayor Michael] Bloomberg has now put it: in Brooklyn ... If he had, he could have managed the crisis much more capably ......
There’s also a whole chapter about radios. It took until March of 2001 for the fire department to come up with new radios. And the radios failed in the first week and had to be withdrawn. But they could have been reconfigured ...
Giuliani took office in January 1994, not long after the [first] World Trade Center bombing. Wasn’t there pressure on him to prevent another attack?
Everyone agrees that the question of terrorism never came up in selection of a police commissioner, which began not long after the attack. A water main broke in the first month of [Giuliani’s] administration, and he was more concerned with how the city responded to that. ...
...Also, there are enormous ways the police department has changed now. ... There were 16 or 17 detectives assigned to [the FBI's] Joint Terrorism Task Force when Giuliani took office, and when he left office in 2001 there were still 16 or 17 officers assigned. ...
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No one has done anything about those who are above a fire line in a high-rise building.
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It isn't "hindsight" when the decision put the emergency command center in the WTC was criticized before he actually did it, and for exactly the reasons that would later become all too evident.
That's known as "foresight".
However, it was stated previously that there was debate about where the ECC should be. Since there was debate, it's pretty clear that there wasn't just one opinion on the issue. No one anticipated what happened on 9/11.
Like I said, hindsight is 20/20.
I hope you can see through your anti-Rudy fog to realize that Wayne Barrett, at least, is a first-class moonbat.
Madison (War of 1812), Polk (Mexican War) and Lincoln (Civil War) had little or no real military experience.
Woodrow Wilson (WWI) and Franklin Roosevelt (WWII) had no military experience.
I suppose they had no right to be president during wartime.
However, it was stated previously that there was debate about where the ECC should be. Since there was debate, it's pretty clear that there wasn't just one opinion on the issue. No one anticipated what happened on 9/11.
Like I said, hindsight is 20/20.
There was no serious "debate," no matter if someone here might have used that word. Giuliani announced his decision, people criticized it, and he ignored them.
One needn't have anticipated the exact circumstances of 9/11 to question the wisdom of putting the emergency command center in a known terrorist target. That problem was anticipated.
Like I said, hindsight is 20/20.
And like I said, it isn't "hindsight" if the outcome is predicted in advance.
When was the ECC put into the WTC? I'm just asking, because the WTC was bombed in 1993 with relatively little damage. That may have caused them to believe it was safe to put it there.
In other words, there was reason to believe it was a decent place to put it.
Were any elected during war time?
Or did the war start during their tenure?
Big difference, IMHO.
In other words, there was reason to believe it was a decent place to put it.
Wow.
You can spin it any way you want, but the simple fact remains that several of the Mayor's security advistors, including Richard Sheirer, who would become head of the Office of Emergency Management, warned Rudy about putting it next to a terrorist target.
That's not "hindsight". That's foresight, a quality of leadership.
Are you saying that Roosevelt would not have been elected after the start of WW2 because he had no military experience? Lincoln became president in spite of the fact that people knew that his election would mean the start of a civil war. They knew he had no real military experience but chose him anyway. In spite of the fact that these Presidents had little or no military experience, they successfully conducted a war.
every telecommunications central office in NYC has diesel storage on the premises for power generation - that's why your phone works during a blackout.
All this is chicken-pschitt. Rudy made some mistakes (maybe), mistakes that anyone could have made. I have no doubt that he's learned from them. It says nothing about his values, nothing about his political skills, and little about his competence, for which there is much other favorable evidence.
:::sigh::: All I'm saying is that there was no way to know that planes would be flown into the WTC and the building would collapse. We can all claim that so and so should have known. Bush had information that there was a possibility of hijackings. Some have said he should have known that 9/11 would happen. We know that's hogwash, of course. Everything cannot be anticipated.
There are enough things to criticize Rudy about. I refuse to criticize him for something I've given a pass on to others (i.e. knowing that the WTC could be brought down).
What I said was clear.
You just don't want to admit what I'm saying, or you can't grasp my premise, so I'll go slow for you.
We are currently at war.
For the first time in history, a President will be seated in the middle of a war.
Never happened before. Ever.
So, it's more important than ever to pick the right man.
Do we pick someone who served admirably in combat?
Do we pick someone who never served at all?
I want an Airborne Ranger, Vietnam Veteran to be Commander in Chief. And I think the troops want that too.
Rudy has less experience than Bush, and John Kerry almost beat him!!
You don't have to go slow. I grasp your brilliant premise. Your premise is nonsense. The Presidents I cited had little if no military experience, yet they successfully conducted a war. There is no reason to believe that Giuliani would do otherwise merely because he has no military experience.
There is no reason to believe that Giuliani would do otherwise merely because he has no military experience.
LOL! Did you ever serve? If I'm sitting in a foxhole in Iraq, those words would do nothing to instill confidence.
BTW, you just gave a great excuse for Hillary not having military experience.
I don't think anyone's said that he should have known that the buildings might collapse, only that he should have known that the Twin Towers might have been a target again.
He should have known that the emergency command center ought to be placed in a secure location, not right next to a potential target. That's what I'm saying.
P.S. Our phones went out during the August 2003 blackout.
The way some people around here carry on about Rudy-poot one could get the impression that he carried the entire city out of danger on his back. He walks on water, blah-blah-blah.
Actually we consider him the most damaging to everything conservative of any of the candidates running.
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