I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO
I think he did pretty much..and I agree. He had no business getting his family involved in such a thing. If he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory he should have gone alone.
"I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO"
Strange outlook. So the guy who pulled the trigger and killed his wife and kid has what?
No responsibility?
The LEO further up the food chain apparently shoulders no responsibility for setting the rules of engagement?
The assault was completely overdone and misanaged. I think you could have just left it right there. Had it not, his family would still be alive.
Are you folks kidding me or what? Do you know anything about what happened? His little son was shot and killed. His unarmed wife was shot in the head by an FBI Sniper while holding an infant child in her arms. The FBI had ILLEGAL shoot to kill orders. Why? because he failed to show up for court. Then they repeated all the mistakes in Waco. All this while ignoring radical Islam...
Doesn't look like FULL responsibility. The government and its agents are responsible to fllow rules of engagement and decisions of an on scene commander. Otherwise it might poke holes in a building, shoot gas into it, and burn a bunch of children to death. Oh, I'm sorry, they already did that.
that makes too much sense! (/s)
people want something more conspiratorial!
After the Marshals killed his son he really felt he had no choice, after all the Government had killed his boy on his land. To this day it is not clear that he knew he had missed a court date - which was a trumped up deal over an AFT stool pigeon taking years to talk him into sawing off the shotgun - which the ATF NEVER proved was actually illegal.
The sniper from the FBI Lon Hourichi took a bad shot. I have been to Ruby Ridge and stood on the exact spot where he fired from. I wouldn't take that shot on a bet and I'm not bad with a rifle. Hourichi later drove a tank at Waco and murdered more women and kids. He's a trigger happy scumbag.
Randy to this day lives with the ramifications of his choices. When I met him for the first time about 9 years ago the pain in his eyes was clear. He still has it today.
No an out of control government killed his family. They didn't do their homework. The FBI believed the ATF crap that Randy was violent and dangerous. The rules of engagement were crap and the guy that wrote them was reprimanded. He tried to claim he didn't instead of standing up like a man and taking it.
Weaver was set up by the, "Government," and refused to go along with the setup. The FBI, (Fumbling Bumbling Idiots)are the problem here not a man who decided he no longer wanted to part of the socialist society he was witnessing. Just as the FBI not picking up their target in Waco on the street instead of attacking they are entirely the source of the problems.
You only say that because you don't know the facts of the case, DB. It's that simple.
If you have read anything about this family, you will find out it was Vicki who was the real leader and head of the family. Randy was actually pretty weak next to her She was perhaps the most vocal about the ZOG and the New World Order. She was a very strong woman who had no qualms about letting her children walk around armed to the teeth.
Having said that, I am in NO WAY saying it was her fault she was shot. She was murdered, plain and simple. Whether you believe what she believed or not, she was a remarkable woman and a very good mother. What happened on Ruby Ridge is clearly an assault by the government against women and children and never should have happened.
Lon Horiuchi shot a woman holding a child, something not everyone was willing to do - and nothing has been done to him.
In the tragic story, Weaver comes out looking far better than Horiuchi, et al.
If you look into the case more thoroughly, you will retract your post. The government targeted Weaver, entrapped him, and murdered his wife in the coldest of cold blood. No American worth the name would blame Weaver for what happened. A tyrannical, unchecked government is entirely to blame.
"I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO"
Thank God a jury of his peers did not agree with you.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. He wasn't "holed up." That was his home. He and his family were ambushed by federal agents. Have you ever read or studied any of this? Have you read Gerry Spence's book?
Randy weaver broke no law. He merely refused to help the goverment trap other people and was punished for it. His boy was shot without warning after he started running when he saw his dog killed by an agent. How is this Randy's fault? A jury thought differently then you and awarded Randy 3 million dollars, the judge who over saw Randy's trial severely reprimanded the prosecuters for ever bringing him to trial. To say this was Randy's fault is the epitomy of stupidity.
And what, pray tell, was the underlying crime, the resolution of which required a military/commando style assault on Randy Weaver's home and family?
Weaver failed, or declined to attend a scheduled federal court hearing dealing with his crime of shortening the barrel of a shotgun, an act which he had been induced to perform at the request of an undercover agent of the U. S. Government. The feds hoped thereby to compromise him, expecting that he would provide info regarding white supremacist groups with which they alleged him to be affiliated. No specific evidence of such affiliation ever was reported by the press, which nonetheless described Randy pejoratively as a white supremacist, or an associate thereof.
His wife and child paid a high price, as did Randy and the rest of his family.
(Apropos of nothing in particular, I will note that I am a resident of northern Idaho, and also not a white supremacist).
Pure, unadulterated bravo sierra.
>>Randy Weaver was an idiot. His stupidity cost the lives of his wife and son. He made the decision to hole up and risk thier lives.
I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO<<
You got it right! You are brain damaged. While you are gloating about your sorry assed *JMHO* ask yourself why Weaver was awarded $3M by us taxpayers.
You ignore the (criminal) misconduct and entrapment efforts of the Feds in this case. You speak without knowledge.