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To: amchugh
Randy Weaver was an idiot. His stupidity cost the lives of his wife and son. He made the decision to hole up and risk thier lives.

I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO

5 posted on 03/17/2007 7:42:07 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO

I think he did pretty much..and I agree. He had no business getting his family involved in such a thing. If he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory he should have gone alone.

6 posted on 03/17/2007 7:45:33 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: DainBramage

"I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO"

Strange outlook. So the guy who pulled the trigger and killed his wife and kid has what?

No responsibility?

The LEO further up the food chain apparently shoulders no responsibility for setting the rules of engagement?


7 posted on 03/17/2007 7:45:38 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: DainBramage

The assault was completely overdone and misanaged. I think you could have just left it right there. Had it not, his family would still be alive.


8 posted on 03/17/2007 7:49:34 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: DainBramage

Are you folks kidding me or what? Do you know anything about what happened? His little son was shot and killed. His unarmed wife was shot in the head by an FBI Sniper while holding an infant child in her arms. The FBI had ILLEGAL shoot to kill orders. Why? because he failed to show up for court. Then they repeated all the mistakes in Waco. All this while ignoring radical Islam...


9 posted on 03/17/2007 7:49:44 AM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: DainBramage
I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO

So, I guess his strange lifestyle absolves the LEO who decided to shoot his innocent wife in the head of any responsibility. Or maybe you feel that LEOs can do no wrong.
14 posted on 03/17/2007 7:55:18 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Eph 6:12)
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To: DainBramage
I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO

Doesn't look like FULL responsibility. The government and its agents are responsible to fllow rules of engagement and decisions of an on scene commander. Otherwise it might poke holes in a building, shoot gas into it, and burn a bunch of children to death. Oh, I'm sorry, they already did that.

16 posted on 03/17/2007 7:56:48 AM PDT by carolinalivin
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To: DainBramage

that makes too much sense! (/s)

people want something more conspiratorial!


19 posted on 03/17/2007 7:59:01 AM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: DainBramage
I don't know how much you actually know about the story but I suggest you take the time to watch this show. Randy didn't want to go out "in a blaze of glory". He was and is a devote Christan. He felt that the Government was evil and out to get him. He put his faith in God and remained on his property.

After the Marshals killed his son he really felt he had no choice, after all the Government had killed his boy on his land. To this day it is not clear that he knew he had missed a court date - which was a trumped up deal over an AFT stool pigeon taking years to talk him into sawing off the shotgun - which the ATF NEVER proved was actually illegal.

The sniper from the FBI Lon Hourichi took a bad shot. I have been to Ruby Ridge and stood on the exact spot where he fired from. I wouldn't take that shot on a bet and I'm not bad with a rifle. Hourichi later drove a tank at Waco and murdered more women and kids. He's a trigger happy scumbag.

Randy to this day lives with the ramifications of his choices. When I met him for the first time about 9 years ago the pain in his eyes was clear. He still has it today.

No an out of control government killed his family. They didn't do their homework. The FBI believed the ATF crap that Randy was violent and dangerous. The rules of engagement were crap and the guy that wrote them was reprimanded. He tried to claim he didn't instead of standing up like a man and taking it.

24 posted on 03/17/2007 8:01:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (We stand on the bridge and no one may pass.)
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Weaver was set up by the, "Government," and refused to go along with the setup. The FBI, (Fumbling Bumbling Idiots)are the problem here not a man who decided he no longer wanted to part of the socialist society he was witnessing. Just as the FBI not picking up their target in Waco on the street instead of attacking they are entirely the source of the problems.


27 posted on 03/17/2007 8:08:33 AM PDT by JayAr36
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To: DainBramage

You only say that because you don't know the facts of the case, DB. It's that simple.


34 posted on 03/17/2007 8:15:53 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: DainBramage

If you have read anything about this family, you will find out it was Vicki who was the real leader and head of the family. Randy was actually pretty weak next to her She was perhaps the most vocal about the ZOG and the New World Order. She was a very strong woman who had no qualms about letting her children walk around armed to the teeth.

Having said that, I am in NO WAY saying it was her fault she was shot. She was murdered, plain and simple. Whether you believe what she believed or not, she was a remarkable woman and a very good mother. What happened on Ruby Ridge is clearly an assault by the government against women and children and never should have happened.


55 posted on 03/17/2007 8:33:13 AM PDT by AnnGora (E-Harmony.com reject)
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To: DainBramage
What nonsense you are saying. His crime was minor.

Lon Horiuchi shot a woman holding a child, something not everyone was willing to do - and nothing has been done to him.

In the tragic story, Weaver comes out looking far better than Horiuchi, et al.

66 posted on 03/17/2007 8:42:04 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: DainBramage

If you look into the case more thoroughly, you will retract your post. The government targeted Weaver, entrapped him, and murdered his wife in the coldest of cold blood. No American worth the name would blame Weaver for what happened. A tyrannical, unchecked government is entirely to blame.


80 posted on 03/17/2007 8:56:26 AM PDT by karnage
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To: DainBramage

"I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO"

Thank God a jury of his peers did not agree with you.


98 posted on 03/17/2007 9:18:55 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. He wasn't "holed up." That was his home. He and his family were ambushed by federal agents. Have you ever read or studied any of this? Have you read Gerry Spence's book?


101 posted on 03/17/2007 9:24:41 AM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: DainBramage

Randy weaver broke no law. He merely refused to help the goverment trap other people and was punished for it. His boy was shot without warning after he started running when he saw his dog killed by an agent. How is this Randy's fault? A jury thought differently then you and awarded Randy 3 million dollars, the judge who over saw Randy's trial severely reprimanded the prosecuters for ever bringing him to trial. To say this was Randy's fault is the epitomy of stupidity.


107 posted on 03/17/2007 9:32:30 AM PDT by calex59
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To: DainBramage

And what, pray tell, was the underlying crime, the resolution of which required a military/commando style assault on Randy Weaver's home and family?
Weaver failed, or declined to attend a scheduled federal court hearing dealing with his crime of shortening the barrel of a shotgun, an act which he had been induced to perform at the request of an undercover agent of the U. S. Government. The feds hoped thereby to compromise him, expecting that he would provide info regarding white supremacist groups with which they alleged him to be affiliated. No specific evidence of such affiliation ever was reported by the press, which nonetheless described Randy pejoratively as a white supremacist, or an associate thereof.
His wife and child paid a high price, as did Randy and the rest of his family.
(Apropos of nothing in particular, I will note that I am a resident of northern Idaho, and also not a white supremacist).


125 posted on 03/17/2007 9:53:40 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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Pure, unadulterated bravo sierra.


133 posted on 03/17/2007 10:04:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: DainBramage

>>Randy Weaver was an idiot. His stupidity cost the lives of his wife and son. He made the decision to hole up and risk thier lives.
I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO<<

You got it right! You are brain damaged. While you are gloating about your sorry assed *JMHO* ask yourself why Weaver was awarded $3M by us taxpayers.


135 posted on 03/17/2007 10:05:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch (You're in America now. Here we speak English.)
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You ignore the (criminal) misconduct and entrapment efforts of the Feds in this case. You speak without knowledge.


213 posted on 03/17/2007 1:04:33 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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