To: kiriath_jearim
Red's manager, Ryan Horsley, admits when the business sold guns it sometimes left blank required parts of a gun purchase form, omitted a background check on a special order, failed to log multiple handgun sales to the same customer in five working days, did not keep track of guns returned to manufacturers, threw away denied applications dealers are required to keep for 20 years and failed to post a gun safety sign and pamphlets. Sounds to me like this guy needed to lose his dealer's license if he in fact violated all of these federal regulations and laws.
To: kiriath_jearim
Sounds like Ryan Effed up
3 posted on
03/16/2007 9:55:22 AM PDT by
mylife
(The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts)
To: kiriath_jearim
What part of the word "infringed" is so difficult for bureaucrats to understand?
4 posted on
03/16/2007 9:56:07 AM PDT by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
To: kiriath_jearim
I caught this news at TheHighRoad last night. Bummer it is. Only been out to his shop once several years ago on the way to a hunting trip. He was one of Idaho's oldest gun shops.
9 posted on
03/16/2007 10:00:14 AM PDT by
Domandred
To: kiriath_jearim
Somebody needs to revoke the ATF's license.
12 posted on
03/16/2007 10:01:45 AM PDT by
P8riot
(I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
To: kiriath_jearim
The more the ATF does the more I pray to see the total destruction of this Jack booted THUG organization.
20 posted on
03/16/2007 10:11:49 AM PDT by
Leatherneck_MT
(Duncan Hunter in 2008)
To: kiriath_jearim
Oh, Red's. Used to live about 20 miles from there and I've probably been in the place a hundred times. You'd have to know it to understand what this really means - it isn't just a gun store, it's a general/second-hand/junk store too with some of the dangedest stuff you've ever seen in its inventory. Purchased a rifle for my late Dad in there once back in The Day. At the time they seemed pretty thorough to me.
I can't speak to the specifics of this case, of course, but I can say that it was one of the coolest stores I've ever patronized. I'm hoping they get their license back.
To: kiriath_jearim
The ATF is an illegal federal agency and should be disbanded for being unconstitutional.
51 posted on
03/16/2007 11:00:17 AM PDT by
miliantnutcase
("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
To: kiriath_jearim
I wonder how many forms and bureaucratic errors the geniuses at the BATFE have made over the years? Maybe THEIR license should be revoked!
Also, I'm not a dealer, but I'd like to consider how the following admissions MIGHT truthfully be reworded by someone who was not calculating to make the shop look incompetent, dangerous, and evil.
"Red's manager, Ryan Horsley, admits when the business sold guns it sometimes left blank required parts of a gun purchase form, omitted a background check on a special order, failed to log multiple handgun sales to the same customer in five working days, did not keep track of guns returned to manufacturers, threw away denied applications dealers are required to keep for 20 years and failed to post a gun safety sign and pamphlets."
Here's a scenario that might actually be true:
Red's manager, Ryan Horsley, admits when the business sold guns, a couple times over the years and tens of thousands of sales, an employee forgot to make sure the customer filled in his county of residence along with mailing address. Once, when a customer made a special order, a background check on the old customer who had passed many such checks done by the shop was forgotten, because the new employee who handled the pick-up thought that the check had been done when the order was placed and advance payment made. Another time, all the proper background checks were done for a good customer who bought more than 5 pistols for his collection, but the clerk forgot the extra form that has to be filed when more than 5 are bought in a short period. Some unsold guns were returned to the manufacturer, to keep defective guns off the street, but they needed to look through shipping records to see which ones they sent back when their inventory did not agree at the end of the year. Also, an employee thinking that they were like the other applications forms accidentally threw away denied application forms. The shop didn't have all the latest ATF brochures and pamphlet in their shop for everyone to ignore.
61 posted on
03/16/2007 11:22:53 AM PDT by
Atlas Sneezed
(Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
To: kiriath_jearim
BATF drives gun dealers out for business for nothing more than screwed up paperwork.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
89 posted on
03/16/2007 12:37:23 PM PDT by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: kiriath_jearim
...said spokeswoman Julianne Marshall. "Industry Operations will consider their application. However, they have an interest for public safety. This license was revoked for a reason." Yep, those accounting errors might give someone a paper cut.
91 posted on
03/16/2007 12:40:24 PM PDT by
TigersEye
(For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
To: kiriath_jearim
So now, all this guys records become property of the government to be entered into databases and tracked as a defacto registration right?
92 posted on
03/16/2007 12:42:18 PM PDT by
fso301
To: kiriath_jearim
122 posted on
03/16/2007 1:22:13 PM PDT by
lawdude
(2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
To: kiriath_jearim
Boy, it sounds like we either have som BATFE employees, Brady Bunch or some Pharisees who will obey the letter of the law while ignoring the spirit.
To: kiriath_jearim
Have his wife incorporate, sell it to her. Would that work?
To: kiriath_jearim
Why does the ATF exist? Alcohol and tobacco are legal. And the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to own firearms. So what on earth do we need an ATF for?
To: kiriath_jearim
threw away denied applications dealers are required to keep for 20 years 20 years? That is just onerous.
To: kiriath_jearim
Walt Sinclair, a Boise co-counsel for Red's, said the errors were clerical, not intentional. They are still errors, and jackbooted thugs are always looking over your shoulder. The Federal government wants there to be NO such stores in existence, and will do everything it can to eliminate as many as it can.
To: kiriath_jearim
Obviously, there are a lot of folks here making assumptions about the number of 'violations,' and other factors as well. For all we know, this dealer was supplying arms to Bin Laden. Or maybe it was the Pope (with my blessing)? Without the facts, how the heck are you going to make anything close to a rational judgment?
Allow me to suggest that you calm down and stop badmouthing your neighbors...
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