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Giuliani's Pre-9/11 Record Should Erase Rightest Doubts
Hunan Events ^ | 3/16/07 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 03/16/2007 5:05:33 AM PDT by areafiftyone

The same Beltway experts who declared Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.) the GOP frontrunner, even as he under-polled fellow presidential contender Rudolph W. Giuliani, now parrot equally dodgy concepts. When Republicans meet “the real Rudy,” they will abandon New York’s former mayor like cattle fleeing a burning barn. Then, the wobbly Washington wisdom continues, Giuliani’s three marriages, and his less-than-solidly right-wing views on gays, guns, and gametes will torpedo his buoyant presidential hopes.

These seers now detect unhappiness with the GOP aspirants. They cite a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in which 26% of Republican primary voters were dissatisfied with Giuliani, McCain, and former Massachusetts governor Willard Mitt Romney, among others. However, 56% called these choices satisfactory. This mirrors the 57%of conservative Republicans who preferred Giuliani, versus 31% for McCain. More broadly, Republicans backed Giuliani 38% to McCain’s 24, former House speaker Newt Gingrich’s 10, Romney’s 8, and 2% each for Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.

But what if voters like Giuliani better upon understanding his pre-9-11 performance? Educating Republicans on his complete mayoral record -- and soon -- may be Giuliani’s best bet for extinguishing lingering grumbling about his candidacy.

I recently visited Baltimore, Charlotte, Richmond, Salem, Oregon; Seattle, and Johnstown, Pennsylvania, mainly to deliver speeches sponsored by Young America’s Foundation. I conversed with conservative activists, College Republican leaders, university professors, and think-tank scholars, among others.

These Americans vividly remember Giuliani emerging from the ashes of September 11, like a latter-day Churchill rising from the rubble of the London Blitz. However, these involved and informed citizens knew startlingly little about Giuliani’s other mayoral achievements:

Beyond these socially conservative victories, Giuliani governed as a Reaganesque supply-sider:
Rudy got this done thanks largely to a management style that he described Wednesday at a $2 million Manhattan fundraiser: “I’m impatient and single-minded about my goals.”

Giuliani’s legacy has earned the endorsements of such screaming liberals as President Bush’s former solicitor general, Ted Olson, Sen. David Vitter (R.-La.), and Rep. Pete Sessions (R.-Tex.) -- both proud owners of 100% ratings from the National Right to Life Committee.

Before Giuliani’s enemies caricature him as a divorce-driven, abortion-peddling, gun-grabbing transvestite, he should familiarize Republicans with his mayoral accomplishments. From Westwood to Washington’s echo chamber, Rudy Giuliani and his supporters should specify how he rescued America’s largest left-wing city through Reaganite social and economic reforms.


Mr. Murdock, a New York-based commentator to HUMAN EVENTS, is a columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; elections; giuliani; rudy
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To: FairOpinion
If the Republicans nominate anyone other than Rudy, we WILL have a Dem president. Heil Fuhrer Hillary. Apparently some conservatives are happy with that.

I'm not willing to vote for one liberal to avoid another.

The election of Rudy would spell the beginning of the end of the Republican Party. At least with Hillary they won't be able to blame the liberal accomplishments on the Republicans. Also, the Republicans in Congress won't feel pressured to support the liberal policies of a Democrat president as they would the liberal policies of a Republican president like Rudy.

121 posted on 03/16/2007 8:46:04 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: massadvj
,i>I think the country is a cultural cesspool of decadence, consumed by secular consumerism.

So let's all get behind a confessed social liberal to further the cause against secularism. Nice try.

122 posted on 03/16/2007 8:48:23 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: LtdGovt
You might ask Senators Rick Santorum and Alan Keyes if you don't believe me.

You've got a bad argument here. To beat Santorum the Dems had to run a candidate who was nominally pro-life. If they would have run a typical pro-abortion Dem, they would have lost.

I believe Keyes thrust himself into an unsalvageable race when he tried to replace a scandalized candidate at the last minute. He also carried a "Carpetbagger" image because he had to move from Maryland to Illinois in order to run. Abortion was not a large factor in this one either.

123 posted on 03/16/2007 9:20:39 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Retired COB
You've got a bad argument here. To beat Santorum the Dems had to run a candidate who was nominally pro-life. If they would have run a typical pro-abortion Dem, they would have lost.

You really believe that? Santorum lost by 20 points. A Democrat's being pro-choice wouldn't have lost him 11 points, certainly not if he was more appealing than the lackluster empty suit Bob Casey.
124 posted on 03/16/2007 9:30:37 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: showme_the_Glory
I think you've hit upon the essence of our disgreement. I have been through a lot of political battles over the years and believe you must deal with the environment as you find it. You, on the other hand, seem to believe that the right candidate can turn a cesspool into a reservoir.

In a democracy, politicians are a reflection of the desires of the people, not the other way around. The majority of Americans live in a cesspool and like it there.

If you wish to change the culture, you cannot do it by changing politics. If you want to change politics, you can do it by changing the culture. This is why the socialists continue to succeed whereas the conservatives continue to slide into a socialist quagmire, even when the conservatives control politics.

Passing laws is only marginally effective in changing behaviors. Therefore, we should have only a few laws and enforce them vigorously. Laws do not stop illegal drug trafficiing and illegal immigration, and they would not stop abortion either. Only changing the culture can do that.

For this reason, I think someone like JimRob or Limbaugh do much more to advance conservatism than any conservative politician you could name. But I stray from my main point that in a societal cesspool, people are not going to embrace social conservatism. Roto Rudy is the best we can do, I am afraid.

125 posted on 03/16/2007 9:34:39 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: LtdGovt
A Democrat's being pro-choice wouldn't have lost him 11 points, certainly not if he was more appealing than the lackluster empty suit Bob Casey.

I'd not be surprised to find out that a lot of the old Democrat machine voters thought they were voting for his dad. Also if we'd have had some support from the RNC Senatorial folks (Libby Dole) for him instead of spending all of that money on Lincoln Chafee things may have turned out differently.

126 posted on 03/16/2007 9:36:34 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Retired COB

Neither Chafee nor Santorum got too much RNC/RSCC money, simply because they didn't have much of a chance. And you may continue to delude yourself by thinking that Santorum would have won against a pro-choice Democrat, but that simply isn't true. Anyone could have beaten Santorum, but it was easier for Casey (because of his name) than for anyone else.


127 posted on 03/16/2007 9:40:01 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: massadvj
In a democracy, politicians are a reflection of the desires of the people

Only till the get elected. Then they historically turn left and bow to the almighty media. My firm belief is if we get a roto Rudy we're already getting a liberal. Any further left and we've got Kerry, or Pelosi. Your cesspool mentality only degrades the possibility of good people to succeed. Lowering your expectations to the lowest common denominator is the kind of vision liberal supporters are used to.

128 posted on 03/16/2007 9:48:02 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: LtdGovt; Retired COB

Of course it doesn't hurt when wealthy gay activists like Tim Gill donate millions to target prominent conservative candidates.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782951/posts

'Gill alleges his favorite villain was Rick Santorum who compared “homosexual sex to man on a dog;” it took 20 million to defeat Senator Santorum.'


129 posted on 03/16/2007 10:11:38 AM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: showme_the_Glory
I have absolutely no qualms with your reasoning. But having been through 2006 with Santorum, and seeing that John Kerry, an unapologetic socialist traitor, came within a few electoral votes of winning the presidency against a then-popular incumbent in war-time, I conclude that a social conservative cannot win this time around. I'd like to see your evidence to the contrary, because every national poll I have seen says my political calculations are correct.

I will change my mind if a true conservative emerges who can beat the Dim nominee. At this point, I don't see it happening.

130 posted on 03/16/2007 10:19:48 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: FreeInWV

How much did Gill donate to the Casey campaign?


131 posted on 03/16/2007 10:34:28 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: FreeInWV

How much did Gill donate to the Casey campaign?


132 posted on 03/16/2007 10:34:31 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt

He donated to thousands of pro-gay candidates in both national & state races. He quietly targeted conservatives with his fortune.

The real question is, how much has he donated to JulieAnnie?


133 posted on 03/16/2007 10:39:18 AM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: showme_the_Glory
Rudy is first and foremost an able administrator. He could not have become mayor of NYC as a pro-life conservative. But New York City was much better off as a result of his capable handling of things, in spite of his social liberalism. If he can do the same for America, I'd say that is a reasonable trade-off, especially since I believe no pro-life conservative can win the presidency.

Also, given the choice between a professed conservative who rules as a liberal, versus a professed liberal who rules as a conservative, I'll take the latter. There is a lot in Rudy's record to suggest that as a leader he would be more conservative on most things than GWB has been.

134 posted on 03/16/2007 10:42:26 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj
Rudy is first and foremost an able administrator.

I have several that work for me that are good but they would not make a POTUS.

He could not have become mayor of NYC as a pro-life conservative.

You mean he could not be Mayor of the cesspool if he was a conservative, pro-life or not.

But New York City was much better off as a result of his capable handling of things, in spite of his social liberalism.

Liberal New Yorkers think so anyway.

If he can do the same for America, I'd say that is a reasonable trade-off, especially since I believe no pro-life conservative can win the presidency.

I'm betting he can't do the same, and to suggest that someone who allows babies to be murdered is a trade-off for anything is absolutely cruel and insane.

135 posted on 03/16/2007 12:20:40 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: LtdGovt
Turns out it wasn't you after all. LOL.

Check out Post #228 on the thread I linked below, as well as the other in the chain of posts from Jim Freedom. It was similar to the exercise I went through here on this thread . . .

Click Here

136 posted on 03/16/2007 12:38:02 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: FreeInWV

Answer the question. How much did Gill give to Bob Casey. You were claiming that he contributed to Santorum's defeat, now back it up.


137 posted on 03/16/2007 12:39:30 PM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Alberta's Child

Way too much emphasis on irrelevant issues like abortion and gay rights. In my opinion.


138 posted on 03/16/2007 12:40:37 PM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt
irrelevant issues like abortion

Lucky for you your parents didn't ascribe to your position.

139 posted on 03/16/2007 12:44:24 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: showme_the_Glory
Lucky for you your parents didn't ascribe to your position.

I wouldn't care if they did. What would have been the difference?
140 posted on 03/16/2007 12:47:04 PM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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