Giuliani's Pre-9/11 Record Should Erase Rightest Doubts

Hunan Events ^ | 3/16/07 | Deroy Murdock

[Alberta's Child]

Maybe. But keep in mind that -- as with this thread -- I had HIM pick the issues.

I would also point out that abortion and gay rights are absolutely not "irrelevant issues" when you are dealing with someone like Rudy Giuliani whose view of the issues involve the totalitarian use of government resources to force others -- i.e., people, businesses, etc. -- to comply with his openly stated position on the issues.

[FreeInWV]

"You were claiming that he contributed to Santorum's defeat, now back it up."

I quoted the article. You can look it up yourself. Here is a better summary of how Tim Gill's consortium of gay donors works:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200703/tim-gill

[massadvj]

Just as a hypothetical, I wonder if you might answer a situational ethics question for me:

If it were true that a pro-life conservative cannot win the presidency, and if one were offered up he would certainly lose to Hillary Clinton a la Goldwater 64; and if were also true that if Giuliani were elected, over the next four years there would be one million fewer abortions in this country than if Hillary Clinton were president (by virtue of the fact that Hillary would use the federal budget to reward her friends in the abortion industrial complex); then wouldn't it be better to support Giuliani and save the million lives?

[showme_the_Glory]

Just as a hypothetical,... If it were true... and if one were offered up....and if were also true....that if Giuliani were elected....

Sorry, too many if's for me. You've worn me down with your rhetoric. Rudy's still a liberal, abortion supporter, gun grabber, illegal immigrant facilitator. You love him, that's great. You seem very intelligent so I doubt you deserve what you're asking for.

[massadvj]

Thanks, I think. And good luck. I am all in favor of putting Giuliani's blemishes on the table and having a full vetting of everything as early as possible. So what you are doing could be constructive if it doesn't get too vitriolic.

Also, I sincerely hope a realistic conservative alternative emerges.

[showme_the_Glory]

Also, I sincerely hope a realistic conservative alternative emerges.

One has emerged. Problem is so called conservatives are busy supporting RINO libs.

[Ragnar54]

Most, if not all, of the listed accomplishments occurred before 2000 (when Rudy quit the race against Hillary). At that time, Hillary had never held an elected office. Now she has 6 years of experience as a US Senator.

What has Rudy done since 2000 that will give him the edge over the opponent he could not beat in 2000? Yes, he was mayor at the time of 9/11. But most people think of the NYPD and NYFD as the heroes of 9/11; having been president on 9/11 is not helping W at this point. What will happen when the Clinton smear machine starts targeting Rudy again? Will he quit again?

[Alberta's Child]

Your point might be valid with regard to Afghanistan, and perhaps even in terms of our relationship to Pakistan -- but not with regard to Iraq.

Since this administration had every intention of invading Iraq long before 9/11, its relationship to some nebulous "war on terror" has never really been objectively established at all.

[Conservative til I die]

The Giuliani campaign in a nutshell.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

If the illegals protesting in the streets carrying signs glorifying Osama Bin Laden wasn't enough of a clue for you...

[zot]

Thanks for the ping. He does have an impressive record, and I wasn't aware of a lot of it.