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Amish Girls Gone Wild
Cleveland Scene ^ | March 14, 2007 | Denise Grollmus

Posted on 03/14/2007 5:08:50 PM PDT by Dan Evans

Behind the bonnet is a girl who just wants to have fun -- and another beer, please.

It's Friday night at Twister's. Tina launches the evening with a tallboy of Sparks. Customers eyeball her white bonnet and shin-grazing dress as she sips from her can of malt liquor and caffeine. She's used to the gawking. Impolite scrutiny comes with being Amish.

"Everyone stares at you," she says. "It's not very fun, but I just ignore it."

Besides, Tina's on a mission to get tanked. No amount of rubbernecking can stop her.

The DJ approaches. Rodger Locher, a clean-cut city boy, is what's known as a "Yank," the all-encompassing term for not being Amish. Since he became Twister's resident DJ, Tina's become a regular, obsessed with listening to Beyoncé, the Killers, and Korn over rounds of neon cocktails.

(Excerpt) Read more at clevescene.com ...


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To: Rb ver. 2.0

In the case of the guy I knew, I think that loss fueled the intensity of his vices.


No doubt.


101 posted on 03/15/2007 5:35:39 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Dan Evans
These kids will get in their buggies and pass out and just let the horses head home on their own."

That's kind of cool...a car which will drive you home when your drunk

102 posted on 03/15/2007 6:12:39 AM PDT by montag813
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To: freedomfiter2

Interseting. There really ought to be an ahmishanswers.com, but then I guess it wouldn't be up on the web?

We live in Taylorsville, MD, probably (about 40 minutes south of Gettysburg) and we had a 100 year old barn on our property when I moved out here. It was built by Ahmish (no nails). The foundation was washed out, so the thing had to come down. It broke my heart.

The branch of my family that took to the Ahmish/Mennonite/Society of Friends lifestyle (post 74) live out in Indiana and Ohio. I gather from my cousin's e-mails that they have a sort of communal situation.

While this branch of the family, did latch on with the "quiet folk", I believe they still practice some aspect of Catholic tradition, which would probably scandalize the more orthodox.

If I asked my cousin Tom whether they worshipped in a Catholic or an Ahmish church. He would probably say. "Yeah,..it's all good!"

Part Quaker, part Franciscan, part hippie and part communist, this last item, which to them, is not a perjorative.

Anyway, as a whole I believe the folks are excellent craftsman. The stuff they produce is an excellent quality! I'm betting they make good neighbors.


103 posted on 03/15/2007 6:51:14 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("Lord, help your poor and faithful servant to remain faithful,...though not necessarily poor.")
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To: incredulous joe

Anyway, as a whole I believe the folks are excellent craftsman. The stuff they produce is an excellent quality! I'm betting they make good neighbors.


Like everyone there a few bad apples, but I've always gotten along well with them. The last place we lived my amish neighbors took the better part of two weeks helping me build a house without pay. Of course, I'd help strip tobbacco, haul corn in with one of their mule teams or milk for them if they had to be away.


104 posted on 03/15/2007 6:59:13 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Dan Evans
Amish Shooting Victim Begged to Be Shot First to Save Others

Friday , October 06, 2006


GEORGETOWN, Pa. —

Under a cold, steady drizzle, the Amish drove in horse and buggy to a farmland cemetery Friday to bury the fifth of five girls shot to death by an intruder as new details emerged of heroism inside their schoolhouse.

Two of the survivors of the shooting told their parents that 13-year-old Marian Fisher, one of the slain girls, asked to be shot first, apparently hoping the younger girls would be let go, according to Leroy Zook, an Amish dairy farmer.

"Shoot me and leave the other ones loose," Marian has been quoted as saying, Zook said. His daughter, Emma Mae Zook, was the teacher who ran from the schoolhouse to a farm to summon police....

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218459,00.html

While you mock the Amish, ask yourselves who among you would have had the courage to step forward as this Amish girl did?

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105 posted on 03/15/2007 7:52:51 AM PDT by OESY
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To: Dan Evans
Marine to receive Medal of Honor for Iraq heroism

November 11, 2006

President Bush announced on Friday that the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military decoration, will be awarded posthumously to Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham.

In April 2004, Dunham was leading a patrol in an Iraqi town near the Syrian border when the patrol stopped a convoy of cars leaving the scene of an attack on a Marine convoy, according to military and media accounts of the action.

An occupant of one of the cars attacked Dunham and the two fought hand to hand. As they fought, Dunham yelled to fellow Marines, "No, no watch his hand." The attacker then dropped a grenade and Dunham hurled himself on top of it, using his helmet to try to blunt the force of the blast.

Still, Dunham was critically wounded in the explosion and died eight days later at Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland.

"As long as we have Marines like Corporal Dunham, America will never fear for her liberty," Bush said Friday as he announced that Dunham would receive the award. Bush spoke at the dedication of the National Museum of the Marine Corps in Virginia.

"His was a selfless act of courage to save his fellow Marines," Sgt. Maj. Daniel A. Huff of the 3rd Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment, was quoted as saying in Marine Corps News that April.

"He knew what he was doing," Lance Cpl. Jason A. Sanders, 21, of McAllester, Oklahoma, who was in Dunham's company, was quoted as saying by Marine Corps News. "He wanted to save Marines' lives from that grenade."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/10/medal.honor/

Little Marian Fisher, who is Amish, is the civilian counterpart to Cpl. Dunham.
To be fair, will you be mocking the Marines next? For shame.

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106 posted on 03/15/2007 8:11:43 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY; Dan Evans

I think tht you're being a little unfair to Dan.

While others have posted, what I would call some rude comments, often standard procedure here at FR. I don't think he has been in that mix. I think the comments that I've read by him reflect a respect for the Ahmish. I admire MANY of their virtues, just not all of them. Regardless, they are peaceful and free to live as they choose

The young Ahmish girl who was murdered gave a wonderful testimony of her faith in Christ. That we should have such grace!


107 posted on 03/15/2007 8:42:20 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("Lord, help your poor and faithful servant to remain faithful,...though not necessarily poor.")
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To: freedomfiter2; merry10

My husband is from PA and moved to CA in 2001. While there, we bought furniture and had to have it ordered from a place in either Indiana or Ohio. It's beautiful. We moved back to PA, bought a new house and needed new furniture so again, had it ordered. I'll find out the name and ask you if you heard of it.


108 posted on 03/15/2007 9:30:53 AM PDT by merry10
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To: merry10

I'll find out the name and ask you if you heard of it.


I probably have since I've spent a lot of time knocking on doors getting my business going.


109 posted on 03/15/2007 9:34:35 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: incredulous joe; Dan Evans
To Dan et al.: Posting rude comments does not have to be standard procedure here at FR.

I invite you to substitute another (more combative) ethnic or religious group to see how it reads.

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110 posted on 03/15/2007 9:55:11 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY; incredulous joe
The image of this fallen angel, smoking cigarettes and drinking beer, is both funny and sad because it is such a ludicrous picture against the pristine stereotype of the Amish. There is a danger of installing these people on a pedestal as I have been guilty of doing occasionally. We have to look at their faults as well as admire their virtues.

I've suggested that we need more Amish and some people have said that we can't all be pacifists. And that is true. We need soldiers to protect freedom. But do we need the Amish?

I think we need them for several reasons. There are those that believe we should be importing labor from backward countries to do the work that Americans won't do. They say we need to import people because European Americans don't have enough children. The problem with that is, immigrants these days are not coming to America to be free, they are coming here for freebies. They are coming here from corrupt countries and corrupting our country by electing crooked politicians.

But the Amish and other Anabaptists are Americans and they do the kind of menial work that illegals do. They do construction, farm work, maid service, child care and they take manufacturing jobs. But, in spite of the occasional drunks like in this article, they do not clutter up our criminal justice system with Amish street gangs. They speak English and aren't demanding that we speak German, they don't lower the national IQ, they pay for their own medical care and they are not a drag on the social welfare system. But, most importantly, they have lots of Amish children who, if they leave the church, will make good citizens and soldiers that we need desperately these days.

Ironically, if you look at the background of the soldiers in our army you will see that a good percentage of them come from fundemamentalist Christian families, many of them pacifists. The reason is simple. Farm kids are already accustomed to austere conditions, the pay is relatively good and the military doesn't require a college degree. (Even though Amish only get eight years of education, they seem to have no trouble passing the GED). So we need these pacifist Christians -- for reasons of national security.
111 posted on 03/15/2007 10:28:15 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: freedomfiter2

They are allowed bed courtship. But there is not supposed to be any sex.

I know it doesn't make sense.
It goes back to the tradition of a boy and girl dating, if they lived a long distance apart, the boy would spend several days at a time at the girlfriend's home.
Back in the day space was limited and the dating couple would share a bed. Hence that tradition. They kept it even when there was no need.
Sex is not supposed to happen during dating. A pregnant bride will suffer great shame to this day.


112 posted on 03/15/2007 10:41:13 AM PDT by JRochelle
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To: sleddogs

I recall from my highschool days that Middlefield attempted to require the horses to wear diapers. The road apples were apparently clogging the storm sewers around the downtown area and every storm caused the intersection of 88 & Old State (downtown where the old train depot & Fritinger's feed mill were located).

Around that same time I was working as a clerk at Foodland and had my first encounter with young amish women coming in, changing into yankee clothing and going over to the saloon to get lit. I finally had that realization when I was mopping bathrooms one evening... I was waiting for two amish ladies to come out, but the only ones to come out were two "yanks" in Joe Camel t-shirts and jeans.

There are always "troubled" people no matter what religion or ethnicity. My folks were surrounded on 3 sides by amish neighbors and never had a problem with them... until one particular family moved in. They had built their house with materials they brought home a couple pieces at a time from a job-site. (I'm sure they were skimming off whatever project they were working on at the time) Then again, my first baby sitter was an older amish lady. If it wasn't for her, I probably would be another squeemish suburbanite... but while we were in her care, we had to help out around the farm. This included carrying bowls of hog blood (for blood sausage!) during a slaughter.


113 posted on 03/15/2007 11:03:59 AM PDT by hydrology_joe
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To: JRochelle

A friend of mine that grew up in a church that practiced that says that it typically goes beyond the bundling tradition. It may sometimes be innocent although I haven't talked to anyone yet who has kept it at that level.


114 posted on 03/15/2007 11:07:00 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: JRochelle
Leave our religion and we'll never speak to you again. Talk about blackmail.

And yet, they still manage to raise mostly good, honest, hard-working kids who turn into good, honest, hard-working adults.

Go figure. Society as a whole could learn a lot from the Amish.
115 posted on 03/15/2007 11:11:55 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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To: Dan Evans

Thanks for the good post keeping things in perspective. This wouldn't have been a story if it weren't out of the ordinary. We've learned a lot from the Amish about family life and teaching children to be good workers.


116 posted on 03/15/2007 11:13:20 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: incredulous joe

A friend of mine who grew up near Amish country (she never was) just received an abused dog which was rescued from one of their puppy mills for which they are renowned. When I mentioned how "good" they're supposed to be, she assured me that they are very good to their own community members but not so with people outside their community. Or to animals. I know that they were very kind to the widow of the man who shot their children recently, but from what my friend says, they are not necessarily good in general to folks outside their tight-knit community. This is from her observation of growing up around them.


117 posted on 03/15/2007 11:16:27 AM PDT by twigs
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To: incredulous joe

A friend of mine who grew up near Amish country (she never was) just received an abused dog which was rescued from one of their puppy mills for which they are renowned. When I mentioned how "good" they're supposed to be, she assured me that they are very good to their own community members but not so with people outside their community. Or to animals. I know that they were very kind to the widow of the man who shot their children recently, but from what my friend says, they are not necessarily good in general to folks outside their tight-knit community. This is from her observation of growing up around them.


118 posted on 03/15/2007 11:21:23 AM PDT by twigs
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To: twigs

People tend to relate to the Amish in one of two ways. Sometimes they hold them up to the point that it makes them uncomfortable or the look down on them for their "wierd ideas". I've never seen people that just treat them as just another neighbor have trouble. One problem you can run into as a neighbor is handling their special needs. They often need someone to take them somewhere in a car and they often need a phone booth and a place to keep a deep freeze.
We handled the first by not accepting pay so they only asked when it was important and they couldn't find another way.(once or twice a year) For the other, they supplied the labor to build me a garage with a little room on the end. They kept a phone and three freezers inside and paid monthly to cover the electricity.


119 posted on 03/15/2007 11:43:41 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: OESY
"Posting rude comments does not have to be standard procedure here at FR."

I should say that it "can" be standard depending upon which GOP candidate that you are posting about. ;0)

Among those posting "serious" discussions regarding this article I think we can agree that we have a certain degree of reverence for these gentle people. Though I fundamentally disagree with them in some areas of how they bring up their children. I hope my opinions are not construed as disparaging the ways of the Amish, which have absolutely no impact on my own life. But I do find their ways to be fascinating.

As for the jokers and the "hit and run" posts,...well, I've kind of learned to skim over them if I think they are over the top.

I do believe the nature of the article itself is meant to belittle and take the Amish down a peg. I've seen this type of journalism directed at Amish, Catholics, Hassidics and Evangelicals. It's nothing new. You can tell that otherwise good and wholesome people are offensive to the liberal sensibilities - they're cheesing off all the right people.

If such comments are the worst form of religious persecution that these small minded bigots have to offer rejoice and be glad!
120 posted on 03/15/2007 12:55:37 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Lord, help your poor and faithful servant to remain faithful,...though not necessarily poor.")
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