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When Congress Commits Treason
Family Security Matters ^ | February 4, 2007 | Raymond S. Kraft

Posted on 03/14/2007 3:17:12 PM PDT by mdittmar

What happens when an American political party adopts the goals of America’s enemies? FSM Contributing Editor Raymond S. Kraft says there is only one word for it…

What do Osama bin Laden, Muqtada al Sadr, Hezbollah and Iran have in common with America’s Democrats? They all want an American retreat, defeat, and surrender in Iraq. When an American political party aligns itself with the goals, hopes, and ambitions of America's enemies in a time of war, in my view there is only one word for it - Treason.

Today, most of the "leading Democrats" in Congress are falling all over themselves to give aid, comfort, and hope to the Jihad, the Islamic Resistance Movement, the Islamist movement for the decline and fall of Western Civilization and the ascendance of Jihadist Islam in Iraq and around the world. Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, and many of the rest give their assurance that with Democrats in power, America will retreat, embrace defeat, and surrender, selling their souls and their country down the river for primary votes and trucks of money from the Pacifist Left. Here, the ignominious spectacle of Democrats selling out the future freedom of the Iraqi people for votes and dollars. Osama bin Laden once called America "a paper tiger." America's Democrats seem determined to prove him right. Treason for votes. Treason for dollars. Treason as a political calculation. Treason, for revenge on George Bush.

Treason, to put a Democrat in the White House.

Thirty-two years ago, in 1975, after America and the Republic of Vietnam had fought and won a ten-year war to save South Vietnam from the predations of the communist north, a Democrat Congress voted to terminate life support for South Vietnam in the face of another North Vietnamese invasion, backed by the USSR. A Democrat Congress voted to "pull the plug," and condemned millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotions to death, torture, imprisonment, and re-education camps, and condemned others to flee their homes and countries as refugees. That, in my view, was the blackest day in American history, and the blood of those people is on the hands of the Democrats who voted to abandon them.

Now, another Democrat Congress is poised to repeat that act of infamy, and abandon the people of Iraq to the conflagration that will almost certainly follow if the United States withdraws its forces prematurely. Another Democrat Congress declares to the world that America is a fair weather friend, that America cannot be relied upon, that America cannot be trusted to stand by its promises when the going gets tough, that America no longer has the will to lead the world toward a future of freedom. Another Democrat Congress declares that America, having liberated the Iraqi people from the bloody tyranny of Saddam Hussein, has grown tired of the messy business of liberation and will now wash its hands of the whole affair, and abandon the Iraqi people to the bloody tyranny of the Jihad.

After the 2000 election, the Democrat Party backed itself into a corner that threatens to destroy the Democrat Party, if Republicans and other responsible Americans recognize the Democrats' strategic blunder for what it is, and call them out on it.

Even before he took office, Democrats committed themselves to the ideology that George W. Bush was (a) an "illegitimate president" who had "stolen the election," and (b) that he was stupid, dumb, incompetent, and unworthy of the office. They maintained these positions until 9/11, when, with America obviously under attack, they came to their senses long enough to pass (with only one dissenting vote) the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq (2002) which references the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 signed by President Bill Clinton on October 31, 1998, which committed the United States to the goal of regime change in Iraq -- the two acts of Congress from which Senator Hillary Clinton is now feverishly trying to distance herself.

By primary time before the 2004 elections, they had reverted to the stance that George W. Bush was an illegitimate president, dumb, stupid, incompetent, and unworthy of the office, and a liar, and that the Iraq war was badly bungled. Today, they have retreated even further, with Hillary Clinton declaring, "if we had known then what we know now, there would have been no vote," no war in Iraq, that America's Democrats would have left Saddam Hussein in power to pursue the weapons of mass destruction he either had, or wanted, and to continue dumping the bodies of Shias and Kurds into mass graves, in the killing fields of Iraq.

During the 2004 election season, Democrats and their candidate, Senator John F. Kerry, held out military experience in general, and combat experience in particular, as the sina qua non for qualification to be president (the Kerry Axiom). The Democrats and Kerry were adamant that since Kerry had combat experience in Vietnam, however brief, and Bush did not, that Kerry was indisputably qualified to be president, and Bush was indisputably not. In the debates Kerry declaimed that he could fight the War on Terror "better and smarter," whatever that means, for he has never told anyone exactly what, if anything, that means. When pressed at the time, he replied that he would have to be elected and see what sort of mess Bush had left him before he could know what "better and smarter" means. Now, John Kerry wants to fight the War on Terror "better and smarter" by capitulating to Iran, even as Iran threatens to destroy Israel, England, and America.

Since Bush's re-election, America's Democrats have persistently raised the ante against Bush, holding hands ever tighter with the Pacifist Left, from whence flow many millions of dollars in campaign contributions and many millions of primary votes.

In a remarkable about face from the Kerry Axiom that only a combat veteran is qualified to be president, the three leading candidates for the Democrats' presidential nomination in 2008, Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Barak Obama, and former Senator John Edwards, haven't one day of military experience among them (which means, of course, by the Kerry criterion, that George W. Bush, although he has no combat experience and served only as a fighter pilot in the National Guard, is better qualified to be president than any or all of the three). But the Kerry Axiom no longer matters, of course.

Democrats are making the President's alleged bungling of the war they authorized by the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 and the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq (200) the focal point of the 2008 election - and are now poised to pass a non-binding resolution of Congress demanding a quick "redeployment" of American armed forces from Iraq, and debating whether to "defund" the war in six months, while Senator Clinton demands that America must be "out of Iraq by 2009."

This has backed the Democrats into a corner, a conundrum for which there is only one solution, and which is laden with many opportunities for the Democrat Party and all of its Congressional leaders and presidential contenders to plunge into the abyss of political disaster by November, 2008.

In order to sustain the Democrats' dogma that:

(a) George W. Bush is an "illegitimate president" who "stole" the election;

(b) George W. Bush is dumb, stupid, incompetent;

(c) George W. Bush led us into an "illegal war" by false pretenses and lies ("Bush lied, people died," even if all but one of the Democrats in Congress voted for it) and;

(d) The Iraq War has become a "quagmire" like Vietnam (which, of course, was a "quagmire" of the Democrats' own making, only because of Democrats' refusal to do the obvious things necessary to win the war quickly and decisively) - a war that America and the Iraqi government cannot possibly win against a small cadre of insurgents with Iranian support -

- THE IRAQ WAR MUST BE LOST BEFORE THE 2008 ELECTION.

If the Iraq War has not been either won, or lost, before the 2008 election, then whoever is elected president - Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, John Edwards - will become a Wartime President in January, 2009, a position which (per the Kerry Axiom) none of them has the slightest qualification to hold.

Worse, this catastrophe would force a Democrat president to either win, or lose, the Iraq War. If she, or he, presided over the loss of the Iraq War, the Democrat Party would, for years or decades, be tainted, smudged, smeared and besmirched, with the loss of the Iraq war, and the loss of America's leadership and geopolitical credibility. She, or he, would fulfill Osama bin Laden's prophecy that "America is a paper tiger." But, if she, or he, saddled up and proceeded to preside over the winning of the Iraq War, the party would be devastated by the loss of ideological cohesiveness and financial support, and votes from its base on the Pacifist Left. Thus, the Democrat Party cannot afford to have a Democrat either lose, or win, the Iraq War.

The conundrum for the leading Democrat candidates for the next presidency is that all of them, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, are now on record as opposed to the war and demanding that America retreat, embrace defeat, and surrender. If Bush hasn't the good grace to lose the war before any of them becomes president, then, regardless of their lack of qualifications, whichever of them is elected will have to either (a) reverse their policy and decide the war is worth winning, to the vengeful opprobrium of the Pacifist Left that has staked its hopes and dollars on electing an anti-war president dedicated to defeat, or (b) fulfill their campaign promises by losing the war as expeditiously as possible, which will tag the Democrat Party as the Party that Lost the War for all the foreseeable future, the party that lost Iraq, the party that lost America's leadership and geo-political credibility in the world, the party of retreat, defeat, and surrender. The party that ushered in the end of the American Era.

The party is hobbled, or trapped, by its resolute determination that America must not win a war that would vindicate the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush, and by its thrall to the moneybags and votes from the Pacifist Wing of the Democratic Party.

Therefore, for the Democrats to succeed, the Iraq War must be lost by George W. Bush, so they can "blame Bush," so they won't have to dirty their hands with it, nor accept any responsibility, nor any blame.

However, even worse than having to grapple with a war they haven't a clue what to do with, is the possibility that the Iraq War might be won, or at least be making distinct progress toward a good resolution and a free, prosperous Iraq, under the George W. Bush presidency before the next election. This would vindicate the George W. Bush presidency, and George W. Bush the man, and shatter the Democrats' ideology of Bush's incompetence and illegitimacy.

If by the fall of 2008 the Iraq War is still seen as a stalemate, a quagmire with no hope for success, it is most likely that a Democrat will be elected president. Then she or he will then have to either lose the war, or win it, and either will be a political fate worse than political death. Either will doom the Democrat Party. If the Iraq war is still underway, and neither victory nor defeat is certain, the Democrat president elected in 2008 will be damned if she (or he) wins it, and damned if she (or he) doesn't.

But if by the fall of 2008 the Iraq War is won, or is making clear and conspicuous progress toward a good outcome, the Democrats' dogmas will have been gutted, disemboweled, flayed, and decapitated, by success and events, and a credible Republican candidate will be elected the next President. Nothing succeeds like success, and nothing loses like a failed prediction of failure.

Worst of all, success in Iraq will be vindication for George W. Bush, as stupid, evil, mendacious and illegitimate as he is.

The only acceptable solution, then, for a Democrat candidate, is to have the Iraq War decisively lost, or surrendered, by George W. Bush, or during the George W. Bush presidency, so that George W. Bush can take the fall, and Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, John Edwards, and all the rest of the gaggle who get in the ring can wash their hands of it and blame it all on Bush.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on whether you prefer an American victory or an American defeat, and to the Democrats' obvious dismay, President Bush is refusing to cooperate. This presents the Democrats with a truly nasty dilemma. If George W. Bush, illegitimate and dumb, refuses to lose the Iraq War when we ask him to, what shall we do about it?

The solution du jour is to pass a "nonbinding resolution" condemning the war and calling on America to surrender to its enemies.

.What do you do when you want what America's enemies want? When you take the side, adopt the goals, of America's enemies? You give political and psychological aid and comfort to America's enemies, in a time of war. You extend to America's enemies the promise that they will win, and America will surrender. You turn on your own country, your own history, tradition, principles, Constitution, your own citizens and constituents, your own government, your own soldiers in combat. You commit treason.

The essential values and ideals of Liberal Democracy are the freedoms enshrined in our own Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. The first among these, from which all others follow, are the rights of intellectual freedom, religious freedom, political freedom, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. These are the liberties that Liberals and Democrats allege they believe in - but they do not. They propose to abandon the vast majority of the Iraqi people who are not participating in the "civil war," who are only bystanders, who are only the victims of the bombs and bullets of the tiny minority (less than 1%) that makes up the Shia and Sunni militias and the Iranian-sponsored insurgency sent to foment chaos and savagery, sent to prevent the freedoms of civilization from taking root and blossoming in Iraq.

The leading Democrats in Congress propose to abandon the Iraqi people to a radical Islamic Jihad that is the antithesis of Democratic values, the antithesis of Liberal values, a religious totalitarianism for which the only freedom is the freedom to be not just Muslim, but Muslim enough, and in which all intellectual freedom, religious freedom, political freedom, freedom of speech and press, contrary to radical Islam, is prohibited. A religious totalitarianism for which "multiculturalism and diversity" are anathema. Just as another Democrat Congress abandoned the peoples of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, to communist totalitarianism thirty-two years ago. Then, Democrats voted for retreat and defeat, and surrendered South Vietnam to its enemies, and millions of people died. Once again, Democrats and their presidential candidates invoke the Democrats' core values of retreat, defeat, and surrender, and if they succeed, millions more will die.

America's Congressional Democrats en masse are betraying, rejecting, and repudiating their own ostensible dedication to the Liberal values of freedom and liberty, multiculturalism, diversity, democracy, for money, for votes. Their half-spoken mantra is, "No war for oil, no victory for freedom."

We see America's Congressional Democrats becoming the American Judas, betraying America, and Iraq, for the proverbial thirty pieces of silver. We are watching the astonishing, appalling, and unprecedented spectacle of a Democrat Party so hungry, so greedy, so blindly avaricious for political dominance that it is committing itself to the retreat, defeat, and surrender of America, of Iraq, of the Middle East, perhaps Africa, perhaps Europe after that - where, if anywhere, will the Democrats' firm resolve to retreat and surrender end?

This is treason.


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KEYWORDS: biden; clinton; democrats; durbin; kerry; murtha; pelosi; reid; treason
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To: mdittmar
The right wing has disappeared in America..
Not that they have gone its that they have become quiet.. watching...

The bad guys better take notice.. because these are the people WITH GUNS..
Civil War is a definite option.. and could happen..
Some of the NoN drugged Americans have about had it..
Washington D.C. has become a political anal opening.. BOTH PARTIES..

21 posted on 03/14/2007 4:39:55 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: indylindy

i wish i knew. all of washington seems to be in "keep my power" mode at all costs.


22 posted on 03/14/2007 4:41:30 PM PDT by sappy
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To: mngran
We live in a democracy...so you can't say it's treason for them to try to implement their policies

I can say TREASON any time I want,TREASON ,TREASON,TREASON;)

By the way,we live in a Constitutional Republic;)

23 posted on 03/14/2007 5:02:06 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: mdittmar

thanks... mgran's liberal education was showing...

there should be one question asked to all who wish to vote and only if t hey can get it right... do we live in a democracy? yes or no...

teeman


24 posted on 03/14/2007 6:45:37 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: mngran

We most certainly are NOT a democracy. We are a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. The word democracy does is not anywhere written in our Constitution. Go check for yourself. Our forefathers DID NOT WANT the US to be a democracy. Gosh, I hate it when people constantly say we are a democracy. Democracy is mob rule!


25 posted on 03/14/2007 8:23:26 PM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: mngran





Republic v. Democracy

by David Barton

We have grown accustomed to hearing that we are a democracy; such was never the intent. The form of government entrusted to us by our Founders was a republic, not a democracy.1 Our Founders had an opportunity to establish a democracy in America and chose not to. In fact, the Founders made clear that we were not, and were never to become, a democracy:

[D]emocracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.2 James Madison

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.3 John Adams

A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way.4 The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness [excessive license] which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty.5 Fisher Ames, Author of the House Language for the First Amendment

We have seen the tumult of democracy terminate . . . as [it has] everywhere terminated, in despotism. . . . Democracy! savage and wild. Thou who wouldst bring down the virtuous and wise to thy level of folly and guilt.6 Gouverneur Morris, Signer and Penman of the Constitution

[T]he experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.7 John Quincy Adams

A simple democracy . . . is one of the greatest of evils.8 Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration

In democracy . . . there are commonly tumults and disorders. . . . Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth.9 Noah Webster

Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state, it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.10 John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration

It may generally be remarked that the more a government resembles a pure democracy the more they abound with disorder and confusion.11 Zephaniah Swift, Author of America's First Legal Text

Many Americans today seem to be unable to define the difference between the two, but there is a difference, a big difference. That difference rests in the source of authority.

A pure democracy operates by direct majority vote of the people. When an issue is to be decided, the entire population votes on it; the majority wins and rules. A republic differs in that the general population elects representatives who then pass laws to govern the nation. A democracy is the rule by majority feeling (what the Founders described as a "mobocracy" 12); a republic is rule by law. If the source of law for a democracy is the popular feeling of the people, then what is the source of law for the American republic? According to Founder Noah Webster:

[O]ur citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament, or the Christian religion.13

The transcendent values of Biblical natural law were the foundation of the American republic. Consider the stability this provides: in our republic, murder will always be a crime, for it is always a crime according to the Word of God. however, in a democracy, if majority of the people decide that murder is no longer a crime, murder will no longer be a crime.

America's immutable principles of right and wrong were not based on the rapidly fluctuating feelings and emotions of the people but rather on what Montesquieu identified as the "principles that do not change."14 Benjamin Rush similarly observed:

[W]here there is no law, there is no liberty; and nothing deserves the name of law but that which is certain and universal in its operation upon all the members of the community.15

In the American republic, the "principles which did not change" and which were "certain and universal in their operation upon all the members of the community" were the principles of Biblical natural law. In fact, so firmly were these principles ensconced in the American republic that early law books taught that government was free to set its own policy only if God had not ruled in an area. For example, Blackstone's Commentaries explained:

To instance in the case of murder: this is expressly forbidden by the Divine. . . . If any human law should allow or enjoin us to commit it we are bound to transgress that human law. . . . But, with regard to matters that are . . . not commanded or forbidden by those superior laws such, for instance, as exporting of wool into foreign countries; here the . . . legislature has scope and opportunity to interpose.16

The Founders echoed that theme:

All [laws], however, may be arranged in two different classes. 1) Divine. 2) Human. . . . But it should always be remembered that this law, natural or revealed, made for men or for nations, flows from the same Divine source: it is the law of God. . . . Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine.17 James Wilson, Signer of the Constitution; U. S. Supreme Court Justice

[T]he law . . . dictated by God Himself is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this.18 Alexander Hamilton, Signer of the Constitution

[T]he . . . law established by the Creator . . . extends over the whole globe, is everywhere and at all times binding upon mankind. . . . [This] is the law of God by which he makes his way known to man and is paramount to all human control.19 Rufus King, Signer of the Constitution

The Founders understood that Biblical values formed the basis of the republic and that the republic would be destroyed if the people's knowledge of those values should ever be lost.

A republic is the highest form of government devised by man, but it also requires the greatest amount of human care and maintenance. If neglected, it can deteriorate into a variety of lesser forms, including a democracy (a government conducted by popular feeling); anarchy (a system in which each person determines his own rules and standards); oligarchy (a government run by a small council or a group of elite individuals): or dictatorship (a government run by a single individual). As John Adams explained:

[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy; such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit, and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable [abominable] cruelty of one or a very few.20

Understanding the foundation of the American republic is a vital key toward protecting it.


26 posted on 03/14/2007 8:29:59 PM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: panthermom
Democracy is mob rule!

Unfortunately, members of both the House and Senate are democratically elected. There should be a way to keep this sort of power of the hands of the public (the mob).

27 posted on 03/14/2007 8:39:10 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: paguch

"Becomming"? They have been our enemy for 64 years.


28 posted on 03/14/2007 8:42:53 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: mngran
I have no quarrel with your position.

You may like this Washington Post editorial. They rip into Pelosie. : )

The Pelosi Plan for Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031201198.html?nav=rss_opinion

I think micromanaging the war is unconstitutional. Congress can defund the war in Iraq but they cannot not micromanage the war.
29 posted on 03/14/2007 8:43:35 PM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: mdittmar

BTTT


30 posted on 03/14/2007 8:45:12 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: mdittmar
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(reprise) DFU SONG: Sounds of Silence (sounds of DemocRAT treason -- list examples here)
DFU SONGS | 2005 | Lyrics, Doug from Upland

Posted on 11/16/2005 1:04:57 PM PST by doug from upland

MIDI - SOUND OF SILENCE (4th version) -- new MIDI, so I don't know if it tracks for what I originally wrote

Hello patriots, my friends…I have some bad news once again
You won't believe what they've been doing...our great nation they've been screwing

There’s a lesson that we cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sounds of treason

They would sell our country out…of that, you shouldn't have a doubt
They would be abdicating freedom…it’s in writing, you should read ‘em

There’s a lesson that we cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sounds of treason

Hatred of the USA…they are displaying everyday
There's disdain for our Constitution…it is time for retribution

There’s a lesson…we…cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sounds of treason

It is power they must gain...it is a plan that is insane
If one of them cannot be president...they hope that we fail, it's evident

With our defense, we cannot trust Democrats
We hear the sounds of treason

They want rule by the U.N…these guys are very evil men
Their socialism's the ideal…that is the way the lefties feel

There’s a lesson that...we cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sounds of treason


31 posted on 03/14/2007 8:51:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: paguch

Democrates obviously don't like the army and the war unless terrorists are the ones enlisting. Let us face it, it is about joining their war and their army, not about peace, let alone discipline... from liberal to liberal swine bag, to full blown swine army joiner.


32 posted on 03/15/2007 12:33:36 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Doe Eyes

While we the people elect our representatives we are not a democracy. There is a difference between a republic and a democracy.


33 posted on 03/15/2007 3:08:12 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: paguch

Nice article but the operative sentence in the piece IF THE REPUBLICANS would call the democrats on this stuff, well we know the answer to that one . The democrats would not get as far as they have had the Republicans not been so afraid of their shadows


34 posted on 03/15/2007 4:19:56 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: paguch

Nice article but the operative sentence in the piece IF THE REPUBLICANS would call the democrats on this stuff, well we know the answer to that one . The democrats would not get as far as they have had the Republicans not been so afraid of their shadows


35 posted on 03/15/2007 4:20:01 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: panthermom
While we the people elect our representatives we are not a democracy.

I was just expressing my disgust that the mob is allowed to elect our representatives. Bring back the nobles.

36 posted on 03/15/2007 7:12:57 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: mdittmar

Bump!


37 posted on 03/15/2007 8:17:50 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: mngran

"This is crazy talk. We live in a democracy and the people elect their representatives. The Dems won the last election, so you can't say it's treason for them to try to implement their policies. When the Pubbies win Congress back, they can implement their policies."

Treason is treason regardless of who wins elections. Advocating and working toward making us lose a war is always, without exception, treason and no election can change that.

All the election does is mark the success of the treason. It is no different than opening the gates to the beseiging enemy. Just because surrender is popular does not make it right.


38 posted on 03/15/2007 8:56:58 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: Doe Eyes

Our voting system has become a scam as well. Bussing people in with the promises of money/cigarettes. Rampant voter fraud. You see it when the Dems scream about having to show identification. It really is sad.


39 posted on 03/15/2007 9:25:08 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: Doe Eyes; mngran
There should be a way to keep this sort of power of the hands of the public (the mob).

There used to be. It was the Framers intent that one house of the Federal Legislature not be subject to the whims of the day and to serve as the States sole voice in enacting Federal law. The US Senator's were to be appointed by State legislatures. Along came the early 1900's, bringing America's initial fascination with all things socialist and marveling at the power of Centralized Big Government. Now the question became how to further cripple States power while at the same time selling the population on the idea of bringing Government closer to "The People". Lo and behold we get The 17th Amendment, bringing the US closer to that dreaded Democracy our Founders warned us about.

BTW the Electoral College is also similarly undemocratic, hence the reason why it too is targeted for extinction..........and the argument will once again be giving more voice to "The People".

40 posted on 03/15/2007 2:54:17 PM PDT by Kudsman (Gramsci = Hillary = Bye Liberty.)
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