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The Great Disconnect between the Republican Party and the Conservative Base
vanity | 12 March 2007 | Trueblackman

Posted on 03/12/2007 8:26:01 PM PDT by Trueblackman

The Great Disconnect between the Republican Party and the Conservative Base

The Republican Party better get its act together like yesterday and realize that without its Conservative base, that it will be left to wonder in the wilderness for many more years to come.

Republicans in Congress are now back in the minority after 12 years of majorities granted to them by the base who envisioned the death of big government agencies like the Departments of Education and Energy with control of the purse strings from 1994-2006 and in 2000 with the election of George W. Bush the base demanded the unabated end of the Clinton Era Tactics of manipulation federal government numbers and phony government surpluses.

Conservatives felt that Bush and company would govern like Conservatives, but after 6 years the base saw no victories as the federal government grew bigger under Bush with “No Child Left Behind” and “Medicare Part D.” Bush refused to fight for our most Conservatives Nominees allowing them to be blocked for years on end by a minority within the minority Democrats Caucus in the Senate. Bush’s “new tone” in Washington DC amounted to the abandonment of his Conservative Principals within 6 months of his first term.

Liberal Republicans like John McCain were allowed to cut deals behind close doors on Judicial Nominees, Taxes and Immigration, while the Conservatives in the Senate seem dumbfounded and refused to stop this self-proclaimed maverick and his band of merry sellouts. McCain seems to take joy in stabbing the base in the back every chance he gets, gleefully going on MSNBC to be praised by Chris Matthews, because he feels that he is somehow owed the Presidency and blames the base for his 2000 Primary defeats to George W. Bush. Now McCain wants to be the 2008 Nominee, “Sorry John, but paybacks are a bi*ch” and I will not vote for what amounts to the Republican Party’s Manchurian Candidate.

The House Managers became fat, dumb and happy and governed more like Republicrats than Conservatives and they thought that the fears of impeachment, higher taxes and liberal control of the House would be enough to rally the base to their banner again in 2006, but this time their rally cries fell on deaf ears and their majorities were lost.

The Republican Party still refuses to learn from 2006’s mid-term election defection by the base, Republicans need to realize that they live and die by the votes of the base and that any candidate that does not appeal to the base will not receive our votes. It is better to lose to a Democrat, than to elect a CINO (Conservative In Name Only).

Now as we enter the 2008 Presidential Race we have Northern Eastern Republicans like Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney trying to sell themselves to the base as having Conservative Credentials, but when one looks at their records and how they have governed, it has been anything but Conservative, yet there are those in the Republican Party who are trying to sell Giuliani as our best bet in 2008. The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.

As a Conservative, I would rather back a Conservative Republican Candidate and see him lose the Presidential Election on principal than back a Liberal Republican IN Name Only like Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and John McCain, who will end up stabbing me in the back anyway and govern himself by poll and focus groups.

The base would rather lose on principals than win out of convenience and the leaders of the Republican Party better start realizing that.


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To: Delphinium
I do believe that our conservative priniples are winning priniples, if we can continue to get the message out.

Looks you're having trouble with your principles, like most conservatives who find their principles are not well represented by the the current crop of GOP front-runners.

Most of the posts here lament that Rudy is the front-runner and some even go so far to say that they'll abstain from voting if he's the GOP nominee. That will wreck the GOP and certainly will lead to a loss in 2008.

I would argue that conservatives, no matter how principled, have not accomplished much since the Goldwater era, except to stay true to their principles. We have had one conservative President elected. If our principles are so damn good, then why have we only one President to show for our efforts---and little else in the way of accomplishments?

The reason, I think, is that conservatives are too wrapped up in our principles that we have ignored the other requirements for a successful (one that accomplishes its goals) political movement. We also have to win elections at a rate that exceeds the competition. If we do not, then we lose our position on the stage of effective political discourse. To do that we need strategic flexibility and the realization that, in this country, we are not in the majority and, therefore we must allow for some accommodation of those who are not fully, 100% committed to pure social conservative principles. We also need to campaign actively for candidates, as opposed to merely ranting and condemning our opponents.

161 posted on 03/13/2007 1:37:58 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: FairOpinion

To many the fear tactic of vote rino or you get a rat is not working anymore. The rinos are just that bad.


162 posted on 03/13/2007 2:40:34 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Trueblackman
I agree entirely. I don't appreciate the GOP pushing out unacceptable candidates and then insisting that they are better than the dem alternative. What ever happened to selecting GOOD candidates and not simply not-a-democrat? I can't believe there are zero viable candidates that aren't liberals running on the GOP ticket.
163 posted on 03/13/2007 2:45:57 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Trueblackman

The way President Bush has led our country and with the way republicans in office are acting I don't see an iota of difference in the two parties.
Let's spend more taxpayer money and grow govt.
Let's make social and moral norms a thing of the past.
Let's let keep open the borders and let all those minor lawbreakers that are here illegally stay and become socialist voters.

I can go on here. But I'm not going to vote for McCain nor Rudy, nor and any other rino.


164 posted on 03/13/2007 2:47:58 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Delphinium

Yes, if the Repub Party Prez candidate is a RINO like Rudy G, then enough Repubs will be turned off by his anti-gun, pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-illegal immigration, etc stands as to make him unappetizing to the Repub base.

The Repub Party has the responsibility of fielding candidates that do not look like they should be running on the Dem ticket.

Or it can self-destruct ala England's Tory Party which used to be conservative but now is pushing carbon taxes and other policies guaranteed to insure it never wins another election.


165 posted on 03/13/2007 2:50:35 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (China & India: Doing jobs Americans don't want to do (manuf., engineering, accounting, etc))
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To: OldArmy52

bump


166 posted on 03/13/2007 2:54:19 AM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU revision of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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To: PhilDragoo
I will vote Republican a year from November whoever is the presidential nominee.

I will be doing so too.

167 posted on 03/13/2007 4:18:01 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Trueblackman

The republican party has forgotten the nation is a conservative nation.

They are doing nominating the next Bob Dole based on "earning his shot" because he is due or owed.

It is not based on merit, it is based on political manuvering and concealing the overwhelming leftist flaws of Rudy Guliani.

McCain is done, Romney has no chance. The MSM is in blackout to all other candidates.

Rudy has manuvered enough primaries early so it is financially impossible for anyone to have a honest retail (handshaking) politics chance.

The GOP is infected with betway disease. Sadly third party voting is STILL a throw away vote for the democrats. The only way a third party ever has a chance to exist is if the democrat party ceases to electorally exist. Then it becomes a combat between RINOs and conservatives of the new second party.


168 posted on 03/13/2007 4:27:07 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mplsconservative

The little bits mentioned about Fred Thompson has actually piqued my interest.

He comes across as an adult around amature children. (yes I consider ALL the currently announce presidential candidates immature spoiled brats parading as politicians)


169 posted on 03/13/2007 4:32:44 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mplsconservative

The little bits mentioned about Fred Thompson has actually piqued my interest.

He comes across as an adult around amature children. (yes I consider ALL the currently announced presidential candidates immature spoiled brats parading as politicians)


170 posted on 03/13/2007 4:32:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Joe Boucher; Trueblackman
Your points are spot on, please keep speaking out.

I told my wife last week that I'm registering as an Independent the day Dubya signs Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

I'm still holding out for a Fred Thompson candidacy.

171 posted on 03/13/2007 4:46:33 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: Hydroshock
To many the fear tactic of vote rino or you get a rat is not working anymore. The rinos are just that bad.

I think they're worse...see my tag line.

172 posted on 03/13/2007 4:48:00 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: Trueblackman

Ronald Reagan and both Bush's won when they ran on conservative principles.


173 posted on 03/13/2007 4:48:51 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: FairOpinion

You're talking prevent defense here, which is a winner only when the team applying it is way ahead.


174 posted on 03/13/2007 4:51:13 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Trueblackman

I'm with you.


175 posted on 03/13/2007 4:53:07 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: airborne

well said


176 posted on 03/13/2007 4:54:59 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Paperdoll

I agree with you. I won't play into this formula for a 2006 replay by supporting a Rudy nomination.

There still is time to turn a sure loss around. I do not buy into these polls anymore because most of them are controlled by liberals.

The media and the demonrats will wait until the time is right, and baggage we may know, or not yet know about Rudy, will come out.

Rudy is no conservative. We do not even know if Hillary will be the RAT candidate, yet. So the argument that the only one to beat her is Rudy, is ridiculous.

The way for a RAT to win is to nominate a candidate that is unacceptable to many in the Republican party. The worst thing for the RATs to think about is entrance into the race of a person we can all get behind.

Now that would be a true way to win.


177 posted on 03/13/2007 4:57:04 AM PDT by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Trueblackman
"As a Conservative, I would rather back a Conservative Republican Candidate and see him lose the Presidential Election on principal than back a Liberal Republican IN Name Only..."

You might get banned from FR if you keep saying this. BTW, I totally agree with you.

178 posted on 03/13/2007 5:07:48 AM PDT by Boxsford (Mediocrity attacks excellence.)
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To: Trueblackman
I guess RINOs get elected in the primary because some people figure it takes an "almost liberal" to beat a liberal. So the candidates look somewhat alike on many issues. I disagree with that kind of thinking. I think a strong conservative like Duncan Hunter can win the Presidential race.

The place to vote for principles is in the primary. The place to hold your nose is in the general election. (Because of the yo-yo's who vote for RINO's in the primary.) Last election I actually got to vote for a real conservative in both - Randy Graf. And make no mistake - Graf almost won the general. It was two clever lies by Giffords that sunk him: One, that he was somehow tied to David Duke because Duke mentioned his name in a blog, and two because Giffords had a commercial saying he was against "Stem Cell" funding when he is not. He supports non-embryonic stem cell funding.

Had the Republican Party not pulled funding for ads, the extra commercials refuting those two lies would have pulled him through.
179 posted on 03/13/2007 5:07:50 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Trueblackman
The Republican Party still refuses to learn from 2006’s mid-term election defection by the base, Republicans need to realize that they live and die by the votes of the base and that any candidate that does not appeal to the base will not receive our votes

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Agreed. The Republican Party has lost its way. If it makes the mistake of putting up a liberal for the nominee, expect a repeat of '06 in '08.

180 posted on 03/13/2007 5:08:29 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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