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What is the most convoluted, opaque, impenetrable book you ever read?
Blind Eye Jones

Posted on 03/09/2007 11:22:35 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones

What is the most convoluted, opaque, impenetrable book you ever read?


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KEYWORDS: books; zenandtheartofmotorc
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To: Neuromancer

I must disagree! Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is on my all-time top ten list. Of course, the author had a mental breakdown earlier (which is what led to the book and is one of the story arcs) so maybe that adds to it's difficulty.

I still think it is a masterpiece, and re-read it every few years. It is three story lines interwoven, and I always catch something new.


161 posted on 03/10/2007 5:19:58 AM PST by fnord (If gun owners, pot smokers, and poker players start a political party, they'd never lose an election)
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To: Irish Rose

Read it. Fiction though it is, it is a history of the times that were and that threaten to yet engulf us. It is not convoluted but it is long.


162 posted on 03/10/2007 5:21:11 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Blind Eye Jones


Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson


163 posted on 03/10/2007 5:22:03 AM PST by Malsua
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To: KellyAdmirer

I was totally fascinated by Moby Dick and was frustrated that it seemed so short. I hated it when I was 12 but at 34 it was a different case. It is the only book I ever read that truly made me feel the time and place and the action.


164 posted on 03/10/2007 5:26:19 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: goldstategop
"I'd have to give the vote to Hypnerotomachia Poliphili by the Renaissance Italian architect author Francesco Colonna. Its written in a rather convoluted Italian replate with Greek and Latin derivatives. It prefigures surrealism and is opaque and obscure. You have to know a great deal about ancient literature and languages, math and architectural elements to fully appreciate the work. And the writer's ornate expressions can get tiring at times for modern readers."

Huh ?

165 posted on 03/10/2007 5:30:22 AM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: Entrepreneur

Keynes is not intelligent enough to be convoluted. Theory Of Money&c. is simply nonsensical. I read, nay, studied that book and kept getting caught up in the self contradictions and inconsistencies throughout.


166 posted on 03/10/2007 5:30:51 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Can we nominate one of Clinton's SOTU Addresses?


167 posted on 03/10/2007 5:31:49 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("Salvation is not free")
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To: Blind Eye Jones

See Spot run. Run Spot run. Run run run.


168 posted on 03/10/2007 5:32:12 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Anything Gurdjieff, particularly "Life is real then, only when I am.." followed closely by "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson".


169 posted on 03/10/2007 5:35:09 AM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Green Eggs and Ham


170 posted on 03/10/2007 5:40:17 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

fun thread idea!

Tops for me is Ulysses, no question. I finished the whole thing, it became a challenge like climbing a mountain just so I could, but I didn't understand much about it other than it's set in Dublin and the guy's wife masturbates at the end.

Atlas Shrugged was pretty bad. I made the mistake of reading it in the dead of winter shortly after being dumped. Once again, I finished the whole thing just so I could say I did - I hate not finishing novels, even cruddy ones.

Anything by Heidegger or Hegel. These guys make Kant look like airplane reading.


171 posted on 03/10/2007 5:41:20 AM PST by sassbox (New Jersey politics - home for those who aren't competent enough to make it in the mafia.)
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To: fnord

My copy is falling apart now. I have turned the pages too many times.


172 posted on 03/10/2007 5:42:13 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

The Tax Code


173 posted on 03/10/2007 5:44:04 AM PST by rickyc
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Aristotle's Metaphysics.

Not that it isn't good in parts, but convoluted, definitely.

174 posted on 03/10/2007 5:44:06 AM PST by JasonC
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To: DryFly

If you were going to pick the "most boring" book, I'd have to put Atlas Shrugged right up there in the pantheon of boring books.

Ms. Rand said what she had to say in the first chapter and then repeated it over and over for 400 pages. Eventually, I shrugged too and put it down.


175 posted on 03/10/2007 5:47:06 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil.

Oy! Talk about overrated. Self-indulgent blovation.

176 posted on 03/10/2007 5:50:07 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Satre's "Being & Nothingness" - only 1/3 through

Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason"

I probably only actually comprehend 10-20% of what's written. In addition, I pick up frequent sporadic fragments which are creatively stimulating on their own.

177 posted on 03/10/2007 5:51:21 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: Victoria_R

Even the writers don't understand it.


178 posted on 03/10/2007 5:55:13 AM PST by thile44 (Simplicity is too complex.)
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To: ansel12

Silas Marner. Not so much impenetrable as boring. I had to read it in high school English.

Let me preface the next part by saying I read 2-3 books a week--everything from archeology to history to all kinds of fiction. (well, maybe not chick fiction)so I really love books.

But when I go to a book fair and see a copy of Silas Marner, I just flip out. I buy it and tear it to pieces in front of the seller, muttering things like, "You're never gonna prevent some kid from enjoying reading books."


179 posted on 03/10/2007 5:55:18 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Jonathon Swift - Gulliver's Travels ..for some reason.


180 posted on 03/10/2007 5:58:05 AM PST by bkepley
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