Duncan Hunter, RRRINO: Reincarnated Reagan Republican In Name Only

SignsonSanDiego.com ^ | 3/9/07 | Chris Reed

[airborne]

One cannot underestimate how important it is to look and act "Presidential."

You're correct. But putting a shine on a turd doesn't change the fact that it's still fecal matter.

[Kevmo]

This site, despite of its charter, has supported diverse views for a long time.
***I agree. But I never thought I would find myself defending a socon pres candidate on this socon forum by folks pushing a solib pig that needs more than lipstick. JimRob's heart must be breaking.

[texicali]

the italians will be sorry to hear that

[Kevmo]

Then would you care to answer the false dilemma? Since team rudy is so fond of its own false dilemma, after all.


My contention: If rudy gets the nomination, he loses the base and the election.

Your contention: If Hunter gets it, he wins the base and loses the election.

Hypothetical to answer your hypothetical. Both sides losing to Hillary.
Side A: The solib republican splits the base. The MSM turns on him the moment he is nominated. Hillary wins. Republican party is split.
Side B: The socon republican wins the nomination, loses to hildebeast in a tough fight. Republicans are united against the hillary presidency.

Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?



Win-Win false dilemma:
Side A: Solib wins presidency by ignoring the socon base and permanently splitting the republican party.
Side B: SoCon wins presidency by (obviously) relying on the socon base.

Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?

[Dog Gone]

So your scenario to give Hunter a chance requires the President to pressure Dick Cheney to step down so that he can replace him with Hunter. And then defense contractors chip in millions to get him elected as President.

That is fascinating.

[AuntB]

There has been much MISinformation and some down right lies about Duncan Hunter on this thread. I suggest you look at his record! The reality is posted on #365, 371, 372, 375, 384, 387. Please, be informed.

[BUSHdude2000]

I prefer the reality that congressmen and senators don't get elected President.

[pablo H]

This whole Hunter v. Rudy thing is nothing more than the age old struggle between the Rockefeller Republicans (RINOs) and the rest of us conservatives.

The RINOs told us in '76 and '80 that Reagan was a "right-wing extremist" who couldn't win. And they are saying the same thing about Hunter.

Don't forget that that RINOs told us in '96 we had to nominate Dole because he was "the only one who could win". And of course we had to nominate "Arnold" because he "was the only one who could win."

Now its nominate Rudy or Romney or face defeat. Just the same ol' Rockefeller song with new names.

[veronica]

You people are deluding yourselves, but that's your choice to do, if you wish.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

PING!

[AuntB]

This whole Hunter v. Rudy thing is nothing more than the age old struggle between the Rockefeller Republicans (RINOs) and the rest of us conservatives.

The RINOs told us in '76 and '80 that Reagan was a "right-wing extremist" who couldn't win. And they are saying the same thing about Hunter.

Don't forget that that RINOs told us in '96 we had to nominate Dole because he was "the only one who could win". And of course we had to nominate "Arnold" because he "was the only one who could win." Now its nominate Rudy or Romney or face defeat. Just the same ol' Rockefeller song with new names.

Worth repeating!

[Kevmo]

As long as I continue to get positive feedback on my posts like the one below from freepers who want to know the truth, and crickets from team rudy over substance, I will continue to do the right thing. Heck, I'll continue to do the right thing even under less favorable conditions because it is the right thing to do. Rudy is bad for the republican party. Hunter is the best socon in the race.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1797367/posts?page=106#106

To: Kevmo
Thanks for those quotations. They are quite revealing.



105 posted on 03/09/2007 9:01:52 PM PST by The_Eaglet

[Dog Gone]

That whole analysis skips over the fact that the party isn't telling you to do anything. It's your job to get your candidate the nomination.

Just like Reagan won the nomination in 1980, any conservative WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE VOTERS can win. Hunter's current problem is that his support vacillates between non-existent and almost none.

[Kevmo]

A moose bit my sister once.

[Kevmo]

That's one scenario, being played out today. There are others. Remember who was the front runner last time around: Dean. Candidacies implode. Stuff happens. It's eary in the race and we have 9 months to make the case for our socon candidate. The solib candidate fails completely on this socon forum and that indicates he splits the base. Every political observer from here to China knows how bad that is except for team rudy. This ain't gonna be a creampuff process.

[Kevmo]

I know. But it does seem to be getting more brazen lately.

[Kevmo]

Yes, Hunter's campaign does appear to be struggling. My impression is that he's tackling big game first, then focusing on smaller ones later. Just ask President Dean how significant early high poll numbers mean.

[texicali]

hmm...Arnold did WIN...imagine that

[Dog Gone]

If Rudy splits the GOP base, then he doesn't win the GOP nomination. That's what primaries are for.

If Hunter unites the GOP base, then he should be polling at least in the mid-30% range in the polls, and arguably over 50%.

Yes, it's early in the race which gives plenty of time for the diehard Hunter supporters to make their case to the readers of this forum. Even assuming they are persuasive, the readers of this forum probably total several hundred thousand people at best.

Hunter's task isn't to win over the hearts of this forum. It is to get the rest of America to even know he exists.

[airborne]

Politics is the art of compromise.

Much like bartering, you set your price high, knowing full well that there will be negotiations and dickering involved, to get to a place that both parties can agree upon.

Now, let's use that scenario on the current Republican primary race. Where do we, as a Party, set our price?

Do we ask for as many things as we believe in from a candidate, and set the price high?

Or do we set our sights low, notcaringwhat we get, but only interested in selling (out)?

Either way, there will be a compromised settlement, and the man who carries our banner will carry with him whatever we insist on getting in the deal.

With Rudy, we're selling ourselves cheap, giving away our core principles just to close the deal.

Before the bidding has even begun!