Posted on 03/05/2007 9:16:23 AM PST by pissant
Read it again Ben. He never said they were 'convicted' of murder. Nice try at picking at anything you think you can find to pick at though.
"the answer is simply that picking up brass and failure to report is not murder and does not justify a murder sentence in the federal penitentiary. As a member of the Armed Services Committee for 26 years, I have never seen a Marine or soldier treated as severely as Ramos and Compean."
Are they the ones now fired for lying?
>>>>No Congressman Hunter, but it does indicate a cover up which lead the jury to making the decision they did. If the agents believed their shoot was good why would they feel the need to dispose of the evidence and then fail to report when given multiple opportunities?<<<<
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/index.htm
The all the agents and *supervisors* should be held responsible. There were seven Border Patrol agents and two supervisors who were on the scene, knew about the incident and assisted with picking up casings.
Excerpt:
Investigation disclosed that the following BP agents were at the location of the shooting incident, assisted in destroying evidence of the shooting, and/or knew/heard about the shooting: Oscar Juarez; Arturo Vasquez; Jose Mendoza; David Jaquez; Lance Medrano; Lorenzo Yrigoyen; Rene Mendez; Robert Arnold; and Jonathan Richards.
bttt
While the report does identify the supervisors as being on the scene, it doesn't say when they got there.
Those that read the transcripts know that the supervisors didn't arrive until after the shooting. Those that read the transcripts would also know that only Vasquez picked up the casings.
Have you heard their defense? They are saying that they had to go along to get along. That they had to participate in the cover up to get along with the more senior agents(Ramos and Compean).
This a further indication of the problems with Ramos and Compean.
The supervisors came after. I never insinuated anything else.
My "l" [html] fell off when I pasted:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/index.html
>>>This a further indication of the problems with Ramos and Compean.
Yes, a serious problem. But with the wrong people you listed.
Drug trafficking is a valuable market that bosses need to protect.
Somebody need to tell Hunter that enough people have read the transcripts to know that he is blowing smoke.
However, I will vouch for you and confirm that there is/was a DHS report and many who haven't read the transcripts have tried to use the report to defend Ramos and Compean by saying the supervisors were involved.
The testimony shows that the supervisors arrived after the shooting and none of the participants told them of the shooting.
"Have you heard their defense? They are saying that they had to go along to get along. That they had to participate in the cover up to get along with the more senior agents(Ramos and Compean)."
That's interesting. When they testified at trial, they all said under cross-examination that, at the time, they didn't think that they had done anything wrong that day until the DHS investigator interrogated them. They are all over the place with past statements.
Is there a story somewhere that gives the details of their defenses in their employee grievance cases?
As my Daddy used to say, "Don't confuse 'em with facts their mind is made up"
The man is running for the presidency; he cannot afford to pick a fight that he can't win. This is the proverbial foot in the door.
"They are all over the place"
They are only trying to salvage what they can, like in, give me some money and me and the union rep will go away.
"The testimony shows that the supervisors arrived after the shooting and none of the participants told them of the shooting."
The memo could have been used to impeach the testimony of every witness who said that. All had something to lose. The agents could have lost their proffers, the supervisors--their careers if they had not testified that the supervisors did not know about the shooting.
The memo can be construed that, even if the supervisors were not there when the shooting occurred, they knew about it and the "coverup".
The memo could have changed the course of the trial as all who testified against Ramos and Compean from Fabens could have been disbelieved by the jury because they were testifying based on self-interest. Also, the jury could have inferred that they had changed their stories.
"They are all over the place"
"They are only trying to salvage what they can, like in, give me some money and me and the union rep will go away."
That's not exactly what I mean. I mean that they were all over the place when you compare their pre-trial statements, testimony and now their employment grievance cases.
Thank you. If I wasn't cooking dinner I would go an dig for that report. Because it was there.
bttt
But, as Vasquez pointed out in his testimony, they were given immunity and after being given that immunity, the only way that they could get in trouble was to commit perjury.
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