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That Film’s Real Message? It Could Be: ‘Buy a Ticket’ (Liberals upset about 300 movie)
New York Slimes ^ | 3/5/2007 | MICHAEL CIEPLY

Posted on 03/05/2007 8:57:24 AM PST by Proud_USA_Republican

LOS ANGELES, March 4 — Three weeks ago a handful of reporters at an international press junket here for the Warner Brothers movie “300,” about the battle of Thermopylae some 2,500 years ago, cornered the director Zack Snyder with an unanticipated question.

“Is George Bush Leonidas or Xerxes?” one of them asked.

The questioner, by Mr. Snyder’s recollection, insisted that Mr. Bush was Xerxes, the Persian emperor who led his force against Greek’s city states in 480 B.C., unleashing an army on a small country guarded by fanatical guerilla fighters so he could finish a job his father had left undone. More likely, another reporter chimed in, Mr. Bush was Leonidas, the Spartan king who would defend freedom at any cost.

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To: Vicomte13

Your history needs some brushing up. When you actually look at that of ancient Greece you will find it was a beautiful civilization (except for Sparta). Athens was a model for the world as Pericles stated. It was held up as such by our founders as well.

Pathbreaking in so many areas it is unbelievable Athens must have been like living in a museum of art. And the lives of the free Athenians were neither nasty, brutish nor short. Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Aescylus, Heroditus, Thucycides, Euripides, Sophocles all were long lived with life spans that of modern men. And it was only during sieges that mass disease was a problem.

I prefer civilization to the wilderness no matter how beautiful. And, BTW, Indians of the period you mention had a miserable existence and their lives were nasty, brutish and short. The European idea of the "Noble Savage" was only half correct there was nothing "noble" about it.


141 posted on 03/05/2007 12:56:35 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Lee'sGhost

R, and basically for being a movie based on a Frank Miller comic. Frank is into graphic violence and random nudity (especially female). Frank is one of the guys credited with moving the comic book industry into an "adult friendly" style dealing with more adult themes. Probably inappropriate for a 13 year old.


142 posted on 03/05/2007 12:56:48 PM PST by discostu (Feed her some hungry reggae, she'll love you twice)
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To: 7thson

>>These libs are losing thier minds.

"Have lost", and quite some time ago.

This is just another confirming data point.


143 posted on 03/05/2007 12:57:19 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: gate2wire

Is that what that movie is about? It reminds me of the 1970's blaxploitation films, which all I remember of them is the bad acting and bad scripts.


144 posted on 03/05/2007 12:57:44 PM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - Time's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: rintense

Omilord.
Callin' the girlfriends. Sounds like a chick movie more and more (GB without a shirt and bare legs!)


145 posted on 03/05/2007 12:58:19 PM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: discostu; Proud_USA_Republican
Well given that this movie is based on the graphic novel, which itself was based on another movie, which was from an era when historical accuracy was even lower on the priority list than it tends to be now, historical innacuracies shouldn't be suprising.

OMG! You mean it isn't a documentary, using original newsreel footage of the battle?

I'm shocked...SHOCKED, I tell you! How can anyone possibly watch & be entertained by something that hasn't been vetted by a panel of international historians?

This is so hugh, my manatee is stuned by the moose's beeber.

BTW, the Libs might want to add: Athens is an allegorical reference to Spain; and any dog seen running in the background is representative of Tony Blair....

146 posted on 03/05/2007 12:59:04 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: rarestia; AlaskaErik

I've got a Molon Labe hat that's probably 7-8 years old, back from when they first did them on TheFiringLine.com


147 posted on 03/05/2007 1:00:56 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: discostu

Thanks! And please tell me what this means "Feed her some hungry reggae, she'll love you twice"


148 posted on 03/05/2007 1:02:26 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Sounds like you were there when it happened, Leatherneck! :P
Is this something I need to read up on before I see it?


149 posted on 03/05/2007 1:02:45 PM PST by derllak
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To: Lee'sGhost

Rated R. Don't know why. Assume violence.


150 posted on 03/05/2007 1:08:08 PM PST by gate2wire
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
unleashing an army on a small country guarded by fanatical guerilla fighters so he could finish a job his father had left undone.

The spartans were not guerillas as the article implies. They were regular army, the toughest army in Greece at the time and for many, many years. They started training as young boys, giving themselves over entirely to the military.

The movie seems not to hold very well to historical fact and is, it appears, an animated movie.

In reality the 300 Spartans were augmented by about 6000 other greeks, but the 300 made up the center force. The pass they defended was very small and the persians could only come at them in that way. When the Persians found a way around the pass they were able to defeat the 300 and their allies. Some of the allies escaped, none of the 300 did. Sparta and the rest of the Greeks sent this small force in order to buy time and it worked. It also instilled a fear of Spartans into the Pershians and served to defeat them in later battles.

It was nothing like what is going on in the middle east and , as I said, the basic facts are true. A far more accurate movie was made back in the late 50s or early 60s. There is also at least one excellent book, whose name escapes me right now, on the subject.

These stupid liberals, and many so called conservatives, should research what they are bitching about.

151 posted on 03/05/2007 1:09:27 PM PST by calex59
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To: FormerACLUmember

No, that's totally on-topic, to my mind.

I'm pretty sure that's an Oleg Volk image. He used to hang out at TheFiringLine, back when those hats were first done. He has generated tons of similar ones. Great guy.

Here are some more good ones:

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/lifesavers/mistakes.jpg

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/lifesavers/godbless.jpg

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/lifesavers/warningtoevil.jpg


152 posted on 03/05/2007 1:09:40 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Sensei Ern

I can't imagine anyone wanting to see that.


153 posted on 03/05/2007 1:09:55 PM PST by gate2wire
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To: Lee'sGhost
It's a line from the second verse of one of my favorite Steely Dan songs, "FM". As with many Steely Dan songs it's about the teenage (or immature adult) quest for sex, this time while using FM radio ("no static at all") as party music. Not sure exactly what they mean by "hungry reggae", might not mean anything the often just chuck words in for the phonetic structure.
154 posted on 03/05/2007 1:15:10 PM PST by discostu (Feed her some hungry reggae, she'll love you twice)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Athens had widespread slavery, and although it's leaders extolled the virtues of liberty, they of course only meant for THEMSELVES. Not too difficult to see why our founders found it an attractive model in that regard.

You need to read up on ancient Amerindian history. Forget the "noble savage" business. By the time Europeans were examining the Indians in the interior there had already been dislocation by disease and a complete distortion of trading patterns, etc., by trade. Woodland peoples were tall and strong because they had a good and varied diet, and they lived to a decent age too, because there wasn't much in the way of pestilence (concentrations of people bring unsanitary conditions and diseases; the Chippewa, for instance, were not very concentrated and moved about with the seasons). There were long stretches with very little warfare among the Three Fires People, because they were allied and closely related, and not so numerous as to place great stress on their surroundings and each other.

Was was a brutal thing, of course. So was the death pit of Syracuse. War has always been brutal, wherever it was.


155 posted on 03/05/2007 1:23:28 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
This movie had german liberals walking out of the screening claiming it was pro-Bush propaganda.

The same Germans who kidnap children from their homeschooling Christian parents. Germany is truly evil, once and forever.

156 posted on 03/05/2007 1:25:55 PM PST by montag813
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To: 7thson
From what I have seen of the trailors, the movie is classic good guy/bad guy stuff, which the libs hate. If all the characters in a story are not scumbags, then - to them - it is not a good story.

Ain't that the truth.

157 posted on 03/05/2007 1:31:48 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: discostu

Nope, not the same thing at all. Last I checked they didn't have oiled hairless bodies, moussed hair, and lots of leather. This movie is totally homoerotica and if you can't see that...


158 posted on 03/05/2007 1:44:05 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: calex59

Just a quick note: While I won't vouch for the historical accuracy, 300 is a live action film. There's a lot of CGI work in it, which might make parts of it seem a bit "off", but it is not a cartoon.


159 posted on 03/05/2007 1:57:02 PM PST by Starter
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It was poor, xenophobic and totally reactionary. There was nothing admirable about Sparta other than its army.

That's the way liberals and europeans view America.

160 posted on 03/05/2007 1:57:33 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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