Posted on 03/04/2007 12:42:12 PM PST by tcostell
I don't really mind the constant commercials for Rudy Giuliani. He's got a story to tell, and he's got a lot of strengths as a candidate. but I'm sick to death his advocates making the totally unsubstantiated claim that he's a conservative. So for those of you who seem to be absolutely liberal in your abilty to ignore the facts, I've put together a little visual aid.
The shape you see here is whats called a "normal distribution". If you were to divide a group of people by any random characteristic (height, weight, whatever) this chart would describe how many people you found at each level. If this were about height, then you'd see that a few would be very short, a few very tall, and most, would be somewhere in the middle.
In this case we're talking about political affiliation. While it's true that Rudy is to the right of Hillary and Ted Kennedy, (and Joseph Stalin for that matter) he is not what we here on FreeRepublic refer to as "A conservative." Is he more conservative than Hillary? Yes... who isn't. But that does not make him a conservative. He is a New York City Liberal, who is more conservative than his surroundings. That's all.
Does that mean that he can't win? ... no it doesn't. All this little graphic means is that he is to the left of the general population, even if he is to the right in New York City.
And for those of you who take excpetion to where I put the lines, give me a break. It's just a simple diagram for the even simpler folks who can't seem to get the obvious. Please don't drown me in Freepmail asserting that George Bush should be further to the right, or Milton Friedman was really a fascist. It's not about them.
I'm just sick of being told the sky is red, down is up, black is white, and Rudy Giuliani is a conservative.
None of those things is true, and they don't get any more true if you say them 12 gazillion times.
Nice graph.
AMEN
A RINO by any other name is still a RINO.
Did the soles of his shoes get wet?
IMHO, any conservative who might consider giving money to Giuliani would be better advised to spend the money on something else--perhaps another gun or some ammo.
Works for me.
Your graph is a worhless peace of trash IMHO. (I'm smiling here!)
You have Hillery done near the bottom on the Liberal/Socialist side and Rudy Patudie higher on the food chain.
And Rudy himself has been quoted as saying his policies are not much different than Clinton's.
I will find the quote and post it to you so you may then correct your graph.
Giuliani can walk on water! That'll be hard to beat.
Political viewpoints are not distributed in a gaussian function. It is impossible to even characterize political persuasion along a single metric.
You're seeing commercials? Where?
And to put Reagan to the right of Bush Jr. is a crock.
rofl
Nice Graph.
And you are right.
All the Rude Rooty Rotorooters have done is energized conservatives to work with the campaigns of conservative Republicans to get out grass roots conservatives to vote against the liberalization of the Republican party
The Pubbie Partys going left ain't gonna happen without a nasty battle royal.
We have seen what the RINOs want to do ( amnesty for illegals, defining down terrorists to insurgents from Islamofascists, etc.)and conservatives plan to stop them dead, including Rudy.
Whoever is funding this all-court press for Giuliani has phony written all over it. I wouldn't doubt that Giuliani and Hillary have the same money backers. Guiliani and Hillary are lose-lose for conservatives.
The vast majority of political scientists haven't used graphs like that to measure political ideology for well over 30 years. And for good reason.
Rewrite it using the Libertarian Party's 4 axis graph, and you can make a better argument.
Rudy blew off his sons high school graduation. He learned of his daughters acceptance to harvard from a newpaper. What a pice of crap.
Now I understand where the terms left and right come from.
I thought it fairly well known that "classic liberal" (Milton Friedman) and "Liberal", (Hillary Clinton) are opposites. I didn't think it was something I needed to get into here, besides, it confuses the issue. The question I'm trying to address is the lack of "conservative" credentials of Rudy Giuliani.Conservative is the opposite of something, no matter what you call it.
reagan's "amenesty" plan was conservative?
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