Posted on 03/04/2007 2:13:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
The 2008 presidential campaign is just weeks old, but already an article of faith within the Republican Party -- the belief that no politician who favors abortion rights and gay rights can win the GOP nomination -- is being challenged by the candidacy of former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani.
...."This is the first Republican presidential primary since Sept. 11," said Ed Gillespie, ... "Rudy Giuliani is a candidate who can clearly test the proposition that a Republican who is more moderate on social issues can capture the nomination. He's testing it now."
....Whit Ayres, a Georgia-based Republican pollster, said he has been struck by the number of conservatives he has encountered who disagree with Giuliani on abortion or gay rights but are still attracted to him as a possible Republican nominee. ....
"It truly is the question in Republican presidential politics at the moment," Ayres said. "There are a lot of people with a more traditional view who think that his leading in the polls is just a mirage and that he has no real chance. I don't believe that. I think there's more to this than simply name ID. "
...A veteran Republican strategist, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly assess the situation, said he is among those who long believed that a Republican with Giuliani's profile would have no chance. He still believes the former mayor faces significant obstacles but said the odds of Giuliani winning the nomination are not as remote as they once seemed.
He gave three reasons: the absence of a strong, traditional conservative in the GOP field; continuing antipathy among many social and religious conservatives toward McCain; and the prospect of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) becoming the next president.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
There are only two ways Rudy would get my vote: he reverses his positions on gays, guns, and abortion, or he selects Newt Gingrich as his VP choice.
My friend, just some words for you -
DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT
by Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Regards, Ivan
Yeah, that's what conservatives have been told in every election since Reagan. Guess what---I'm not buying it anymore. I'll vote my convictions, and to hell with "vote for the "moderate" (actually RINO)" as the "lesser of two evils".
No. Gradations were many. Look at the Welsh coalminers during that time. Serfdom, debt bondage, indentured servitude, and more all existed. Sorry, it is only in retrospect that we see things so clearly.
Thank you friend.
I'm still hopeful that with it being so early we'll see several surprises before it's all said and done.
So I still have my card but I make sure the (paid) fund raisers that call me understand I'm holding my money hostage. Sadly since they're paid and don't have a dog in the hunt they could care less but I figure if I say it enough some of it might filter up to the powers that be.
Are we to believe that a "lesser" person would have run from the city? Excused the attacks? What? I am reminded of the decades old advertisement claim "ProductX gives you more!"
Yeah, like we're looking for Rudy SchwarzenKennedy. No thanks.
Take a look at New Orlean's "leadership."
***.... Mr. DeLay, the former House majority leader... criticized CPAC and other conservative gatherings for never offering plans of action to defeat the left. He said he is forming a Coalition for a Conservative Majority that would unite the various conservative interest groups into a single message for the conservative cause....***
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070304-120048-6857r.htm
The first rule of a culture is to protect pregnant women and small children.
When a culture allows the planned murder of the most helpless, that culture will die in its own poison!
Do you understand the difference between a citizen and a subject?
I just love euphemized reports.
Mr. Giuliani, what are your connections, if any, to Carlos Slim and Carlos Hank González? Any other of Mexicorruption's rich and powerful that we should know about?
The first rule of a culture is to protect pregnant women and small children.
The first rule of a culture is to protect pregnant women and small children.
The first rule of a culture is to protect pregnant women and small children.
(I figure if it keeps getting said, it might sink in!)
Ask Kerik!
He doesn't have an icecube's chance in hell.
Let's see how he does in the primary contest first. Then we can answer that one.
Sound and fury signifying nothing. In my passport, it says "British Citizen", not subject. I believe this change was made during the 1980's.
Now, let's return to the remainder of your post - you're having the argument with the wrong person. As a Roman Catholic who opposes abortion, I want to see it ended. What I am trying to tell you is that having a pro-life President does not mean it will end. You've had a Pro-life President for all but 8 of the past 27 years. Is abortion gone yet?
The truth is, that the best a President can do is appoint the appropriate judges - that is something Rudy has promised, and should be part of any compact that social conservatives make with him. Secondly, getting rid of it is going to require much harder work than electing a President - it will require drip feeding what it actually means into the electorate's consciousness so that there is a groundswell from below to get rid of it.
Ivan
The mayor failed in federal court to overturn a 1996 federal law which declared that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS.
According to "Crime & the Illegal Alien. The Fallout from Crippled Immigration Enforcement" a June 2004 report by Heather Mac Donald (www.cis.org)
"On September 5, 2001, [Mayor Giuliani's] hand-picked charter revision committee ruled that New York may still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later . . . ."
Yes, I know that most if not all of the 19 entered legally -- ILLEGAL aliens include those who overstay their authorization. Yes, I know that they did not fly out of New York City but I can imagine what would have happened if they had and they had been stopped on the way to the airport; to wit, "Oops, sorry sir. The mayor says we can't touch you but you really ought to touch base with the INS. Have a good day, sir."
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