Posted on 03/03/2007 6:36:47 AM PST by Jeff Head
Edited on 03/03/2007 8:34:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
In 1991, when the Soviet Union dissolved, the second full-size aircraft carrier for the Soviet Union, the Varyag-sister ship to the Kuznetsov, was under construction in the Ukraine. Withe the Soviet demise, the Ukraine inherited the incomplete vessel but did not have the finances to complete her. In 1992 a Chinese delegation visited the Ukraine in the hopes of coming to terms on a purchase price of the unfinished vessel. A suitable purchase price was not agreed upon. Later, in 1998, the Chong Lot Travel Agency, a supposed Maccu firm, bought the Varyag from the Ukraine for $20 million dollars with the stated intention of making the Varyag a casino for commercial profit. As it turned out, Chong Lot had no offices in Maccu and was simply a front company for a Hong Kong firm called Chinluck Holding Co. Ltd. As it also turned out, the managing directors of Chinluck, had strong ties to the Chinese navy. It took three years for the front firm, Chong Lot Travel, to get permission to tow the Varyag through the Istanbul Straits and on to China. That permission was finally granted in 2001 and the following pictures document what has occurred to the Varyag since. |
The Ukrainian Carrier Varyag in Ukraine Naval Yards, approximately 70% complete, prior to being towed away by Chong Lot Travel Agency.
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In October of 2006, the Kommersant online newspaper in Moscow announced a deal between Russia and China where the Russians sell up to 50 Su-33 fighters to China for $2.5 billion. Details seem to indicate that China will spend $100 million to buy two Su-33 fighters from Komsomolsk-on-Amur Production Association for evaluation, with delivery expected in 2007. There appears to also be a fairly firm option for 12 more Su-33 fighters, with the potential for the deal to add another 36 SU-33s. In that event, the deal would total the $2.5 billion. The SU-33 fighter is the navalized version of the SU-27 fighter that China has purchased in large numbers from the Russians and now license builds themselves. It is the same fighter that the Russians use on their carrier, the Kuznetsov, which is the older sister ship to the Varyag. In addition, over the last two years, the Chinese have been negotiating with the Russians regarding the KA-31 helicopter, which is the helicopter the Russians use on their carrier for AEW duties. The Chinese have also introduced designs for prop-driven AEW aircraft of their own similar to the United States E-2 Hawkeye aircraft. The continuing efforts by the PLAN to obtain navalized, carrier fighters and AEW aircraft from Russia (or design their own), coupled with the recent completion of a non-skid surface on the flight deck of the Varyag, and its painting in official PLAN colors, make it abudnantly clear that this vessel, at some future date, will be China's first aircraft carrier. |
In 2005 and 2006 the Chinese negotiated with the Russians to purchase SU-33 naval fighters for carrier operations, receiving special demonstations at Moscow and Chinese military airshows. |
WHile all of this has been occuring, the PLAN has embarked on a phenominal naval ship building and modernization program, simultaneously working on ten to twelve new classes of major combatants and building several of each at one time. This program has already developed and launched all of the necessary modern classes of guided missile destroyers, guided missile frigates, attack submarines, and supply ships to form the basis for a very powerful carrier strike group once a carrier is available...and to defend and supply it in the blue water, as the following pictures attest. |
Two new modern, AEGIS-like area air defense destroyers for the PLAN, equiped with VLS and PAR. These ships would be very capable as escorts for a carrier. |
It is this author's and researcher's opinion that the Chinese Navy (PLAN) will launch the Varyag in the 2008-2010 time frame and begin trials and training for her use as an operational aircraft carrier with a wing of SU-33 aircraft, perhaps modernized with vectored thrust and strike at sea and ground attack capabilities in addition to its already significant air superiority capabilites. Furthermore, this air wing will be supported by KA-31 AEW helos operating off the carrier in conjunction with other ASW and SAR helicopters. This training will be ongoing for several years as the PLAN gains experience in carrier operations, and will prepare them for the introduction of one or more of their own indigenous carrier later in the 2010 decade, which will include Chinese indigenous navalized aircraft and their own, more capable AEW and EW aircraft. |
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They have learned and have been practising UNREP activities for the last several years. One of the pictures in this post shows an example.
IMHO, we should have 14 large carrier battle groups and 12-14 jeep carriers...in addition to our Phibron groups with the large Amphibious Assault vessels. And, of course all of the DDGs FFGs SSNs and AOR vessels to support them.
A smaller carrier with 30-40 aircraft, flying JSF and using AEW and ASW versions of the Opsrey would be an awesome vessel for escort of the amphibs, sea control, large ASW operations, etc., freeing up the large "fleet" carriers for the heavy pounding needed against land targets and to chase down and destroy other nations carriers.
All of that would be necessary in a large scale war...and unless we do something to halt the PLAN juggernaut that it is building, sooner or later we will be facing one.
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Anyhow...hitting a target moving at 35-45 miles per hour with GPS weaponry is not real likely anyhow. You need guided munitions for strike at sea warfare...but not GPS guided. Radar, infrared, EM, etc.
That is the ugliest aircraft carrier in the world. Clinton - the bent one - would be find something familar about it.
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Yep, a 2,000 or 5,000 pound "Bunker buster" laid right next to the island would do a number on her, two or three would be even better. Even a regular 2,000 HE bomb would quiet likely break her back and send her to Davy Jone's locker . However she'd have her own air defense, and likely would never operate far from land based air cover, mostly within it. Of course that wouldn't save her from the attack subs.
There. The MK-48 is awesome...and VERY powerful. That is the weapon that would do the trick in such an engagement.
GPS guidance is not too useful for moving targets, unless they also have a separate terminal stage guidance of some sort, which would track the actual target, not just a set of coordinates, which is what GPS does. The GPS would serve to get the weapon into the acquisition basket of the terminal seeker, although depending on how far away the launch platform is when it launches, even that might be problematic. But it does raise some interesting possible combinations of GPS and other guidance techniques.
Not really, the Chinese work much Cheaper than Russians or Ukrainians (It's the Ukrainians who have the experience in building these sorts of ship, or did anyway). Meanwhile they are also learning a lot about how to build this kind of ship, only better. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Chinese "students" have been aboard all the "Museum ships", Lexington (Corpus Christi Tex), Intrepid (New York), Yorktown (Charleston SC) Hornet (Alameda), Midway(San Diego), and any other's I've missed (Maybe even the Cabot before she was sent to the breakers). (Projects underway for Saratoga and Ranger as well) The Chinese also tried to get hold of the hulk of the Coral Sea, after the company scrapping her went under, but that was blocked by the US Navy.
It will make an excellent reef in the Straits of Taiwan!
Well, it's a whole lot less than 1,000.
There are only 85 B-52s in the active force, and 9 in the Reserve. Add to that 65 B-1Bs (plus some in storage at the boneyard, which could be brought back to flight status...maybe if we haven't taken too many parts off of them to keep the others flying). That's it for heavy bombers in the USAF inventory, and of course the Navy and Marines don't have any heavies. BTW, there are 21 B-2s, but one is used strictly for tests.
The Navy should have gotten the A-12...or should get something similar to replace the A-6. There are no more S-3s on the carriers so there is no long range, high endurance, high capacity, airborne ASW aircraft on the carriers anymmore...and I believe that is a big mistake.
We need a longer range AAW missile on our barrier CAP aircraft, although with the upgrade to the AIM-120D we are getting close.
I also don't know that they've actually been able to keep it from flipping over when the gun is fired abeam. They claim to have, but I'm skeptical. :) We'll see, Initial Operational Test is sometime next year, IIRC.
For example, in the last 5-6 years they have added over 80 new, modern, and capable major combatants to their fleet. In that same period they have not decommissioned any major combatants. Their Navy has grown by a net 80+ vessels.
In the same time period, we have built about 46 new major combatants...but we have decommissioned close to 50 major combatants, many of them, like all the Spruance class destroyers, with 10-15 years of service life remaining in them. Our net growth is a loss of four major combatants in the fleet.
The trend is not a good one at all.
Which the Soviets did with their Badgers a long time ago. Although it looks like the Chinese modification is not the same as the Soviet one.
From FAS:
from 1963 on the TU-16 was converted into TU-16N tanker aircraft. This tanker version featured a 'Probe and drogue' system with a Yakovlev-built centerline fueling unit in the bomb bay and ARK-5 beacon. It was mainly used to support probe-equipped Tu-22 and Tu-22M Blinder bomber regiments..
The earlier Tu-16E could could refuel other Tu-16s in an unusual wing-tip to wing-tip configuration.
Thanks for the ping. Another enemy ship = another target.
The design is not quite as old as the B-52, but they are also not nearly as capable as the last B-52 designs, either in armament, payload, electronics, counter measures, range, etc. But they are new airframes.
Sounds like you either are, or were, a submariner. All surface vessels are targets to submariners.
Yeh but that would require the DoD budget to get up to where it was, in terms of % of GDP, say in the beginning of the Clinton era, which even *after* 9-11, we haven't done, although we are finally getting close. FY-93 it was 4.4%, FY-05 it waws 4.0%, but only 4 years after 9-11, and a couple of years into the Iraq phase of the War on Islamic Terrorists.
The Navy should have gotten the A-12...or should get something similar to replace the A-6
I'd say the latter. The A-12, while cool, was a monstrosity, even naming it after the aircraft that the President, GHW Bush, had flown couldn't save the overweight pig. The Navy's aircraft development system is broken, IMHO, and the Army is having it's own problems in development. Only the Air Force seems to be able to bring new weapons systems to deployment. although ghe Navy ship side, including subs, is still on the track as well.
I worked on a major sub contract for the A-12, way back in those days, even before the down select. In fact I think that is one of the Navy and Army's problems, they down select too soon. The AF tries to do that after the prototypes or demonstrators are built, and not just on the basis of paper designs.
Even the F/A-18E/F is product improved F/A-18, which itself is Navalised YF-17, the loser to the YF-16 in the Air Forces fly-off. They also went to competitive prototypes or concept demonstrators with YF-22 vs YF-23 and X-32 vs X-35.
Of course they did not do this with B-1B or B-2, or even F-15 IIRC.
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