Posted on 03/03/2007 6:36:47 AM PST by Jeff Head
Edited on 03/03/2007 8:34:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
In 1991, when the Soviet Union dissolved, the second full-size aircraft carrier for the Soviet Union, the Varyag-sister ship to the Kuznetsov, was under construction in the Ukraine. Withe the Soviet demise, the Ukraine inherited the incomplete vessel but did not have the finances to complete her. In 1992 a Chinese delegation visited the Ukraine in the hopes of coming to terms on a purchase price of the unfinished vessel. A suitable purchase price was not agreed upon. Later, in 1998, the Chong Lot Travel Agency, a supposed Maccu firm, bought the Varyag from the Ukraine for $20 million dollars with the stated intention of making the Varyag a casino for commercial profit. As it turned out, Chong Lot had no offices in Maccu and was simply a front company for a Hong Kong firm called Chinluck Holding Co. Ltd. As it also turned out, the managing directors of Chinluck, had strong ties to the Chinese navy. It took three years for the front firm, Chong Lot Travel, to get permission to tow the Varyag through the Istanbul Straits and on to China. That permission was finally granted in 2001 and the following pictures document what has occurred to the Varyag since. |
![]() The Ukrainian Carrier Varyag in Ukraine Naval Yards, approximately 70% complete, prior to being towed away by Chong Lot Travel Agency.
|
In October of 2006, the Kommersant online newspaper in Moscow announced a deal between Russia and China where the Russians sell up to 50 Su-33 fighters to China for $2.5 billion. Details seem to indicate that China will spend $100 million to buy two Su-33 fighters from Komsomolsk-on-Amur Production Association for evaluation, with delivery expected in 2007. There appears to also be a fairly firm option for 12 more Su-33 fighters, with the potential for the deal to add another 36 SU-33s. In that event, the deal would total the $2.5 billion. The SU-33 fighter is the navalized version of the SU-27 fighter that China has purchased in large numbers from the Russians and now license builds themselves. It is the same fighter that the Russians use on their carrier, the Kuznetsov, which is the older sister ship to the Varyag. In addition, over the last two years, the Chinese have been negotiating with the Russians regarding the KA-31 helicopter, which is the helicopter the Russians use on their carrier for AEW duties. The Chinese have also introduced designs for prop-driven AEW aircraft of their own similar to the United States E-2 Hawkeye aircraft. The continuing efforts by the PLAN to obtain navalized, carrier fighters and AEW aircraft from Russia (or design their own), coupled with the recent completion of a non-skid surface on the flight deck of the Varyag, and its painting in official PLAN colors, make it abudnantly clear that this vessel, at some future date, will be China's first aircraft carrier. |
![]() ![]() ![]() In 2005 and 2006 the Chinese negotiated with the Russians to purchase SU-33 naval fighters for carrier operations, receiving special demonstations at Moscow and Chinese military airshows.
|
WHile all of this has been occuring, the PLAN has embarked on a phenominal naval ship building and modernization program, simultaneously working on ten to twelve new classes of major combatants and building several of each at one time. This program has already developed and launched all of the necessary modern classes of guided missile destroyers, guided missile frigates, attack submarines, and supply ships to form the basis for a very powerful carrier strike group once a carrier is available...and to defend and supply it in the blue water, as the following pictures attest. |
![]() Two new modern, AEGIS-like area air defense destroyers for the PLAN, equiped with VLS and PAR. These ships would be very capable as escorts for a carrier.
|
It is this author's and researcher's opinion that the Chinese Navy (PLAN) will launch the Varyag in the 2008-2010 time frame and begin trials and training for her use as an operational aircraft carrier with a wing of SU-33 aircraft, perhaps modernized with vectored thrust and strike at sea and ground attack capabilities in addition to its already significant air superiority capabilites. Furthermore, this air wing will be supported by KA-31 AEW helos operating off the carrier in conjunction with other ASW and SAR helicopters. This training will be ongoing for several years as the PLAN gains experience in carrier operations, and will prepare them for the introduction of one or more of their own indigenous carrier later in the 2010 decade, which will include Chinese indigenous navalized aircraft and their own, more capable AEW and EW aircraft. |
|
Copyright © 2007 by Jeff Head
AVAILABLE AS A FREE ADOBE EBOOK DOWNLOAD TO ALL FREEPERS ---> HERE
China is also buying interests in oil and mineral reserves all over the world. I expect that by 2012 or so, any African kleptocrat, who has thoughts of nationalizing a few billion dollars worth of Chinese investments in his country, can expect to see this carrier conducting maneuvers off his coastline.
Amen. In any conflict, the Varyag will be held as far away as possible, probably in port, and very well protected. We may get her anyway in such a confrontation just for good measure. In fact, I believe we should if it came to that.
China is also buying interests in oil and mineral reserves all over the world. I expect that by 2012 or so, any African kleptocrat, who has thoughts of nationalizing a few billion dollars worth of Chinese investments in his country, can expect to see this carrier conducting maneuvers off his coastline.
Again, agreed...and elsewhere they want to "show the flag". Pakistan, Iran, Venezuela, Panama, etc. By 2012 I expect they will have a second carrier being launched, and an indigenous one at that.
Also, what aircraft is that "U-2" looking one at the rear of the Island, behind the four folded wing Su-33s?
I believe the Russians have perfected the use of buddy stores, as have we. Our A-6 and S-3 tankers are no longer on the carries...and the S-3 ASW mission is long gone too. Only helos off the carriers and her escorts for airborne ASW now.
The Chinese however seem to be negotiating for upgraded SU-33s from the Russians with thrust vectoring and with SU-30 weapons aviaonics, which would add the strike capability.
They would be limited and they would have to refuel upon takeoff...and, they would not be able to conduct launch and recovery simultaneously, just as you have noted. A significant disadvantage when compared to us, but not when compared to just about any other regional power that they would likely contend with outside of the US Navy.
Have they put in the powerplant yet? If not all the rest is just decorative...
Unknown. But given the work that has been completed on the main deck more recently, I personally believe it went in either just prior to or during ther long stint it had in dry dock in 2005.
Correct. That is why my post said 'as of yet'.
How ironic, we both posted a pic of aircraft "08."
The red superstructure is quite striking.
RE: Zinc chromate - at today's prices, you don't paint on that may square feet of it unless you are completely serious.
Ruskis have used a variant of this as an attack aircraft, particularly in Chechnya.
Exactly. The SU-25 was an attack aircraft with the Soviet airforce that was originally planned to be converted to be a strike aircraft to operate off the Kuznetsov. I do not believe it could carry enough ordinance or had the range so it has been relegated to a trainer. I believe they have only converted 3 or 4 of the old SU-25 attack aircraft to naval use.
I only think they have 3 or 4 of these aircraft, so the chances are pretty good you would see the same one on the deck fairly often.
And, regarding the zinc chromate...agree 100%. It was a reltively sure sign of the PLAN's intent with the Varyag.
Things going from Bad to worse...
If there is anyway this can be posted or you all can read the article it is worth taking the time to sign up and reading it. But don't expect to be happy when you do.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/04/AR2007030401049.html
Washington Post
March 5, 2007
Pg. 15
Going Down With The Ships
Over the past six years, 79 condemned Navy ships have been towed out to sea and destroyed by Air Force bombs, submarine-launched torpedoes or hails of gunfire. These exercises, long considered the most cost-effective way to dispose of unwanted naval vessels, have eaten away at America's inventory of still-useful retired warships. Soon every vessel capable of serving in America's reserve combat fleet could vanish, leaving an overextended Navy with no viable backup forces. This unwise drawdown goes against Navy tradition
I have no doubts that we have something better. How many and what stage of production I do not know. However, in today's world, the Mk-48 would still be a decisive weapon in any naval warfare sccenario we might face.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.