Posted on 03/01/2007 5:25:24 AM PST by keats5
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wrong, it's only ok to say Queen if you're gay. Kinda like the N word.
It seems there is a lot of evidence around that the term is used generically rather than specifically. I know the kids in my town use it regularly. It's the current term for being vapid or silly. While the gay community can argue to remove the term from popular lexicon, one has a hard time proving that this young woman meant it as a harassment of homosexuals, especially where it was in response to being teased herself based on stereotypes. I think the school should lose on this one and remove the notation on her record.
Now we can't use "queen"??? What's next?!!
Oh I might as well ping you all and let you in on the fun.
That's so fudge-packy.
LOL...
Personally I like to call the gays "Marvins". I say: "oh honey look it's Marvin with his butt cheeks exposed in that leather chaps outfit!" or "I can't stand Marvins." or "that is so Marvin"
Then they don't know what I am talking about.
When do playground insults used every day all over America cross the line into hate speech that must be stamped out? (from the article)
Ah!.,,,Here it is again: The fundamental conflict between government owned and run schools and the First Amendment.
It is impossible to respect free speech and run orderly and safe schools, therefore, when government own schools government will trash the First Amendment or have disorderly schools. Government schools can not do both simultaneously.
Government can NOT both have free speech in its schools and protect the children from proselytizing ( or conversely attack) by the other children regarding religion. For instance, this Mormon girl was attacked verbally for her religion.
Also in punishing this girl, ( a permanent mark on her record and public humiliation) I doubt that the government respected any of the girl's constitutional rights.
The Courts will rule on this case ( if they accept it)very narrowly, and fail to address the fundamental and irresolvable conflict between government schools, free speech, and the First Amendment.
Solution: Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education.
That's teenage childrens' favorite saying!
When I was young, I was taught to absorb little insults and humiliations and move on; to laugh them off; we all were. The saying was, sticks and stones, you know the rest. This was for the best, we grew up with thicker skins and didn't waste time agonizing about little insults. We are moving in the wrong direction. This shouldn't be in the courts. The logical extreme somewhere down the line after this is to be like the muslims and riot and starting the heads rolling because of a cartoon. Time spent agonizing over little insults is time not spent in productive pursuits and is the mark of an immature and declining culture.
I don't understand your comment. We had a great time laughing and joking with each other. I believe we all felt completely gay the entire weekend. What's wrong with a happily excited weekened of feeling keenly alive, exuberant and with high spirits? If you're not sure what I'm saying, check my profile.
"Rick Ayers, a retired teacher...said educating students about offensive language is preferable to policing their speech."
I'm still trying to parse this one. Does it mean "we're trying to make them internalize the censorship we want to impose so we won't get caught imposing it and run afoul of that pesky 1st Amendment stuff"?
The education of children is fundamentally a moral, ethical, cultural, and religious exercise. So...yes!..Of course the teachers are attempting get the children to "internalize" the censorship.
I don't think most teachers know enough about the First Amendment to even consider applying the principles to their job. I doubt that more than a few have ever considered that government schools and the First Amendment are utterly incompatible.
Or does it mean "we're telling them what not to say so that we can justify punishing them if they say it, regardless of that pesky 1st Amendment stuff"?
Again, I doubt that most teachers know enough about the First Amendment to realize that government schools and the First Amendment are utterly incompatible. I doubt they have given any thought to government punishment of children without constitutional protections, either. For instance, I doubt that this girl was given access to a lawyer, or advised of her right not to speak.
Somebody help me out here...
Solution: Get government out of the education business. Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education.
EXACTLY my thought! she uttered the phrase after them starting to rag on her being a MORMON! not a smidge of discipline for that!
Hey, we don't need to be making fun of guys who want to play pink train in the mud tunnel or gals who like for their faces to look like glazed donuts (Krispy Kreme syndrome). Anything between two consenting mammals, I always say...
I must have missed the part of the story where the school also disciplined her classmates for their harrassment of the girl over her religious faith. It was perfectly ok for these other classmates to bully her and belittle and ridicule her faith with epithets about polygamy, but she must be punished for saying "That's so gay"?
I believe we all felt completely gay the entire weekend.
Ok, if you say so. Who am I to argue? :D
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