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Wow. I have heard of "big drug, big insurance, big oil and the big bad wolf. Now it looks like we'll see "BIG GREEN". This looks like the greenies own stock market. This is what Al Gore means when he talks about "fixing" global warming. I will be good for the American economy Al says. You have heard of the EU's talk of this kind of scam. Putting a surcharge/tax on airlines for the GHG they emit flying to those countries. This is the world taxing system we have all only thought about.
1 posted on 02/28/2007 4:20:23 PM PST by hophead
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SELL, SELL!!


2 posted on 02/28/2007 4:21:56 PM PST by Jhensy
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If I eat a lot of chili, can my colon apply for a small business loan?


4 posted on 02/28/2007 4:24:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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Smithfield Ham signed onto this. They've been under attack by environmentalists, and I'm sure they felt like this was a way to placate them. I guess the key is to make a commitment which you can meet.


5 posted on 02/28/2007 4:29:27 PM PST by Brilliant
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After doing a little more looking at this and related sites, I found this.
"Methane Digesters. Eligible methane digesters are those that were in operation any time after 1999 and have installed biogas flow monitoring and/or electrical metering equipment. Methane is credited at 18.25 metric tons of CO2 per ton of methane, per year."
http://p2e2center.org/services.php

I have found this in many places. They "digest" methane. People get paid for this. They get the credits. Methane is a good fuel for fuel cells. Its being done in landfills today. The fuel cells produce electricity for the landfill and sells any extra.
This is not very "green" now is it.
This is a "waste of natural resources". Where are all the enviro-vangelists?
6 posted on 02/28/2007 4:33:07 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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I predict the bottom will fall out of this tulip bulb market very soon.


7 posted on 02/28/2007 4:35:12 PM PST by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace! (Bacon bits make great confetti.))
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Chicago Climate Exchange

Who could blame Chicagoans for wanting to exchange their climate? Even Greenland's climate would be preferable. I mean, .......oh, nevermind.

8 posted on 02/28/2007 4:36:05 PM PST by xJones
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You know,........... I was thinking.......from a purely selfish perspective mind you: Why in the world don't I offer my own environmental offset services to people too stupid to ask what their money is actually buying them.

But then I realized, that I'm much too honest to clip people who'll believe anything they're told.

9 posted on 02/28/2007 4:43:21 PM PST by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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I got me 12 old cars up on blocks around my trailerhouse (which also ain't got no heat or air conditioner) and I figure I should be able to sell all them there "carbon credits" from these cars and such. Who is supposed to send me the check? Do I gotta send 'em pictures or something?


10 posted on 02/28/2007 4:44:51 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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This looks like the greenies own stock market.

This will be the new method to "take from those who produce, to give to those that don't". The New Communism.

The UN and various international types have been talking up the possibility that this kind of thing might become required. Like all flavors of communism, it won't work without government power.

Billions of dollars are at stake. I'm sure the traders are already counting their growth potential. The Lawyers will be readying for disputes. Capitalism twisted into a tool for the communists, with Green excuses this time, rather than helping the proletariat.

12 posted on 02/28/2007 4:59:37 PM PST by narby
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My broker changes the subject when I ask "How are my tulip bulb futures going?"


13 posted on 02/28/2007 5:24:48 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( for those in Rio Linda, there's conservapedia)
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I'am giving all my carbon credits to the next FreeperThon!!!!...


16 posted on 02/28/2007 5:36:12 PM PST by GitmoSailor (Cold War Veteran===Beware of the IDs of Marx=Fairness Doctrine,3rd party,Slow Bleed+Hillary.)
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This whole thing doesn't make any sense.

If libs want to be carbon neutral, well first of all they can't be, they're carbon based life forms, but if they want to pretend to be carbon neutral they stop exhaling.

They can inhale all they want, though.


21 posted on 02/28/2007 5:39:02 PM PST by Duke Nukum (Chickens are part of the natural cycle of life, and that is why we play chickenball in the house.)
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If you ask me (and, no one did), this sounds less like "big green" and more like "big scam", "big fraud", "big baga BS"!! Of couse, it doesn't surprise me that a master scammer like Gore would be caught up in this.


22 posted on 02/28/2007 5:40:35 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Just how much is a Carbon Credit worth??????......Where can I sell them??????......Who will buy them????.......Are Carbon Credits a new Al Gore Joke??????.... I want answers!!!...


23 posted on 02/28/2007 5:42:21 PM PST by GitmoSailor (Cold War Veteran===Beware of the IDs of Marx=Fairness Doctrine,3rd party,Slow Bleed+Hillary.)
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Just wait till the government lays a heavy tax on the type of car you drive, how much you drive and how much electricity you use...add that to the Universal Health Care Tax....You ain't goin nowhere...


26 posted on 02/28/2007 5:48:51 PM PST by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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Will they buy my farts?


27 posted on 02/28/2007 5:49:15 PM PST by saganite
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Sound like a new pick-up line.
"How are ya? I'm carbon neutral, you?"
33 posted on 02/28/2007 5:58:33 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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I knew this was comming last summer. Sen. Lugar, never one to miss an opportunity to fatten his wallet off legislation released This statement

Lugar Farm is first in Indiana to provide carbon sequestration offsets on the Chicago Climate Exchange

Thursday, May 18, 2006

U.S. Sen. Dick Lugar’s Marion County farm is the first in Indiana to participate in the Chicago Climate Exchange.

Audio comments from the press conference are available at http://src.senate.gov/lugar/radio/ and via telephone at 1-800-545-1267; press 407 for the Lugar mailbox.

“I am pleased to announce that the Lugar Stock Farm has enrolled as an offset provider in the Chicago Climate Exchange. The Lugar Stock Farm is an active corn, soybean, and hardwood tree farm in Marion County, Indiana. Our farm will be the first in Indiana to enroll in this important exchange. I am hopeful that farmers in Indiana and elsewhere will investigate the possibility of enrolling in the exchange. This not only will encourage the practice of sequestering carbon, it will provide an additional source of farm income to those who qualify,” said Lugar.

...“As a Hoosier farmer, I seek ways to ensure the economic productivity of our farming operation. I utilize risk management tools such as federal crop insurance and commodity markets, and I seek ways to add value to the products grown on our land. Nearly 20 years ago, I began converting about 200 of the 604 acres on our farm to hardwood trees. As these majestic trees grow, they absorb and store carbon from the air around Indianapolis. Increasingly, the global community is recognizing the potential perils of climate change. The ability of farmers and others to remove carbon from the atmosphere and store it through methods such as tree farming and no-till planting are an important part of the solution,” Lugar said.

..“The Lugar Stock Farm has entered into a binding contract with the Chicago Climate Exchange to provide offset carbon credits, or carbon that entities may want to use to mitigate or offset the amount of greenhouse gasses they may produce. Based on our management practices, tree age, tree density, and other factors, the Chicago Climate Exchange estimates that our farm will capture about 3,400 metric tons of carbon in these trees. Instead of selling these offset credits directly to specific generators of carbon, the Chicago Climate Exchange operates as a market discovery mechanism similar to corn and soybean markets where willing buyers and sellers transact business based on commodity prices. The Lugar Stock Farm maintains legal ownership of these offset credits until a market decision is made to sell them on the exchange. Yesterday, carbon credits were trading at $3.50 per metric ton. Additionally, our farm is responsible for reporting any loss of trees, or the addition of trees, to ensure that carbon is being stored. Similar situations now involve U.S. livestock operations and no-till farmers,” continued Lugar.

Heres the address for the whole statement.

http://lugar.senate.gov/pressapp/record.cfm?id=255829

42 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:38 PM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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One more time!!!!.... How much are Carbon Credits worth????..Who will buy them?????....Anybody???...


45 posted on 02/28/2007 6:39:25 PM PST by GitmoSailor (Cold War Veteran===Beware of the IDs of Marx=Fairness Doctrine,3rd party,Slow Bleed+Hillary.)
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Where do I register to get in on this action?

My plan is to sell carbon credits and when someone buys them, I'll get my pellet gun out and stealthily shoot out "extra" street lamps - thus saving electricity.

:-)


46 posted on 02/28/2007 6:44:41 PM PST by poindexters brother
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