Call The Crusade!
Time for the Crusades and bring back the Knights Templar!!!
With my limited understanding of the evangelical world, the third world and eastern Europe is gaining many converts.
Wasn't this Ann Coulter's idea to begin with?
Dear god in heaven. Where have these drooling, bladder-'n'-bowel-challenegd amateurs been for the last thirty years?
What the heck are we doing? We have a fit when they interfere in our domestic matters, so what makes us think that we have the right to meddle in their?. They should tell us to mind our own d@mn business. Only not quite so politely.
Send in the Evangelicals!
I hope and pray that Evangelicals will double their efforts in Europe for the coming years.
I'll be a missionary in Munich. Post me about October.
This really is the correct answer to the problem, as politically incorrect as it may be.
If Europe was serious about integrating Muslims, the first thing to do is to create integrated housing, instead of doing what Europe has done for a thousand or more years: put the minorities in a ghetto.
If to live and work, immigrants have to integrate, then they *have* to integrate. But if you don't just give them an option of staying in a ghetto, if you even *encourage* them to live there, they *won't* integrate.
This is pretty simple stuff, but seems to go right over their heads.
Instead, they embrace nonsense like "multiculturalism". Which even the slow kids are starting to realize is a disaster for everybody.
Seriously speaking, even in France, with 5-10% of their population being Muslim, how hard would it be to legally *prevent* ethnic clustering? For the government to do exactly the *opposite* of what it had done before?
It's easy. Look at the demographics of a city. If there is a predominantly immigrant area, "gentrify" it, right down the middle. Raze however many blocks you need to split it in half, and replace them with new businesses, owned and run by ethnic French people.
Similar "redevelopment" is done in the US all the time, if not for that reason. It is economically great for a city in general. And if it busts up a large, segregated enclave, then all the better.
And if you are worried about any harm to that ethnic neighborhood, don't, because tearing down old buildings and building new ones, then putting new businesses in them is *great* for local employment.
But if the government of France sat down with a map of their cities with such ghettos, and set about to systematically force integration in this manner, the Muslims *would* integrate.
They would *have* to learn French. They would *have* to interact with Frenchmen. They would *have* to do things the French way.
Under such pressure like that, integration would happen, unlike what they have today, which if left like it is, will still mean Muslim ghettos in France in a hundred years, just like there used to be Jewish ghettos in France for hundreds of years.
"Daniel Fried, assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs"
How many times will this guy have to say "It's pronounced Freed, dammit, FREED. Not fried!"
Throughout history, is there any evidence Muslim assimilation and peaceful accommodation into a non Muslim society?
To this day -- Muslims are still under direction of the Koran and their lunatic clerics to slay the non Muslim at every opportunity... Their directive and stated goal is to wage war on the non Islamic world and force by word or sword Islam throughout the world... No room for "assimilation" in that scenario..
Muslims throughout the non Muslim world attempt to get their host nation to comply with Muslim demands...and bend to Muslim sensitivities...
Screw em all.... There is no way to identify or quantify the "moderate Muslim" -- and even if there were -- no one has DEFINED a moderate Muslim...
Semper Fi
Joseph Farah is absolutely correct. However, the evangelism and Christian revival he refers to must also happen here in America. Christianity is weak in America and needs more strength here at home in order to sustain an effective evangelism effort in Europe.
This must be done or Europe will be lost to Islam. The Islamic inroads there cannot be overcome by our "war on terrorism." The real war is a religious one and terrorism is merely a tactic that the Islamofacists are using. Our focus needs to be, not on the tactics of the enemy, but on the core issues. The jihadists openly declare that their war is religious in nature, aimed at Islamic conquest of the entire world. We are foolish in our failure to recognize this.
Islam cannot be defeated by guns and bombs. Our current war on terrorism, being waged by guns and bombs, is faltering because our main motivation, anger over 9/11, is fading with time. On the other hand, the motivation of our enemy is primarily based on deeply held religious convictions that last a lifetime. They persevere while we fade away and give up.
Islam can only be defeated by a superior faith. Christianity is that faith. It was at the foundation of this country's birth and sustained us through many great adversities. In recent years we have rejected the Christian God and are now beginning to reap the bitter fruits of that rejection.
Europe is several years ahead of us in that rejection and its consequences. That is why they have little strength now to resist the advances of Islam. They are well on their way to Islamification. If they fall, we will be in dire straits to resist Islam's present power of middle eastern oil resources PLUS the economic and technological power of an Islamic Europe.
Europe must not fall and a revived Christian Europe is the only way to prevent that.
Sounds like a waste of good missionaries. Europe is too far along the road to extinguishing itself through simple demographics. No sense in putting an "American metal roof" on a house already destined to destruction by termites. Find a structure that has a future-- like Asia, Africa, S. America, or Antartica.
Send out St. Patrick - ping -
Look at France.
Just France, because France has the largest ethnic "Arab" (really Berber North African) population in Europe, but that is not synonymous with "Muslim", and that distinction is important.
France has done a relatively good job of culturally converting the Arabs, making them into something else: French "Beurs".
They're no more Muslim, most of them, then French Catholics are Catholic.
They are not very well ECONOMICALLY assimilated, which is a problem, but they have been pretty well culturally assimilated. The riots proved it.
Huh?
Yes, the riots proved it, and here is why.
What happened?
Some kids, believing they were chased by the police, ran into a train electrical station and got electrocuted. The Beur population, angry about police brutality (which is not a completely unfounded thing for them to be angry about) exploded in protest. They went into the streets at night and wrecked stuff, burned some cars. Yes, that's bad. But let's have some perspective here. What happens when French labor unions, or French students, get pissed off about something, say, threats to cut job security, or Spanish tomatoes? They block roads, come out in mobs, break things and burn stuff. Bove doesn't like McDonald's? He and a mob of very white, very rural French guys pull it down. Property destruction is not very nice, but it IS very French. French people, from farmers to train workers to students...to Beurs...when they get angry, come out en masse, throw rocks at the cops, break things and burn property. They've been doing it for about two centuries.
What was significant about the Beur uprising wasn't it's size or the number of cars burnt, it's what did NOT happen.
Two important things did NOT happen when the Beurs came into the streets furious over the kids' deaths (initially) and then just in a display of hooliganism and criminality.
The first thing was that it did not turn deadly. Yes, one man was killed, in three weeks of rioting. One. He was hit by a brick, and succumbed from the wounds. That's bad, to be sure. But think about an American riot, even. Lots and lots of people dead. Here, you had "riots" in all of the major cities of France for a MONTH, with lots of property damage, and ONE MAN was killed. That's not how MUSLIMS behave. Muslim fanatics blow up trains (see London and Madrid). Muslim fanatics go into schools and shoot down kids (see Russia). Muslim fanatics spray down shopping centers with gunfire, or snipe at passersby (see the recent occurrence in the Western US or the DC area Snipers). Beurs didn't do any of those things. No bombs. No mass casualties. No mass murders. No snipers. Nobody cooking off and killing people with guns (and yes, there are plenty of guns in France, especially hunting weapons, which are easy to get). None of that. The Beurs went nuts, and they behaved like French students who go nuts and torch cafes, or French unionists who go nuts and beat up the cops and burn storage depots, or French farmers, who stop trucks filled with Spanish vegetables, rough up the driver (but DON'T kill him, please note) turn over the truck and burn it), or like French environuts who pull down McDonald's. Property destroying rioting is a bad thing, to be sure, but it's a centuries-old French tradition. What the French DON'T do when they go into the streets and start smashing things to pieces is intentionally blow people away and kill people. There was a student revolution in 1968. The country exploded. DeGaulle essentially lost his job over it. And how many people were killed in a government-changing, epoch-making revolution? Zero. Nationwide. Zero dead. The Beur go nuts for a month and burn 20,000 cars and beat people up. How many dead, in nationwide riots that went on for days? One. That's NOT Islam. That's France. And that's a very good reason why the French have reacted the way they have. While folks in America see a jihad, folks in France see a disaffected part of France, browner in color, and with Arabic ways, but still fundamentally FRENCH - people getting pissed off and behaving just like other pissed-off FRENCH people do. Beurs don't behave like Arabs. They certainly don't behave like Muslims. Most of them AREN'T Muslims. Their secularized French poor people. That's the first thing that's notable because of what DIDN'T happen.
The second thing that DIDN'T happen was an intifada. You have mosques screaming in England for the destruction of the state. In Paris, you have the imams of the Grand Mosque writing in the paper that cartoons making fun of the Prophet Mohammed are acceptable, because that's the culture of France, and Muslims can poke fun at themselves. Like a big French student dispute, or a raging French labor dispute, there was a lot of anger and property damage, and when it was over? Calm. No low-grade civil war. No bombings, shootings, terrorism. The Beurs exploded, and then they went home. There is no ongoing Beur intifada in France. And once again, that is because the Beurs are NOT Muslims, and they're not Arabs. They're FRENCH, and they act like it.
There is greater cause for hope here than the hand wringers realize. There are other causes. Look at Beur teenagers in France. Watch them. What do you see? What you see is them hanging out with girls and boys. In their private lives, they're screwing girlfriends, just like the rest of the French. That's not a little thing. It's a cultural earthquake. Once again, it tells you that the French Beurs are FRENCH. They're acculturated. They're not Islamist. They're not even really Muslim, most of them. Most French kids are baptized and never see the inside of a Church again until they get married (if they do). Most Muslim kids in France have the same connection to the mosque.
Are there radical elements in France? Of course. Just like everywhere. But in France it is not the same as in Londonistan. Not the same at all. It is less dangerous, because MOST Arabs aren't Arab, they're French Beurs, and most Beurs are not practicing Muslims, they're secularized.
This is of immense importance, because it means that secularization is winning the game in France.
There are other positive signs.
The French white population has ceased to decline.
That's right. The heavy and systematized program of social supports and subsidies has brought the French population, just this year, up to just about zero population growth. Other European countries are still in free fall, but not France. French-style social supports are generous enough to incentivize people, including white people, to have babies again. And they are. You see it everywhere you go. Certainly in the provinces, which are more traditional and more Catholic, but also in the cities too. Beurs have babies too, lots of them, but so are the French. This goes unrecognized in the handwringing here about "Eurabia", but it is not true, in France, that the Muslims are overwhelming everybody with birth rate. First, there are not all that many practicing Muslims. Most Beurs are secular. Second, the whites are having lots and lots of babies now, and more subsidies, aimed at the middle class French (who are white) are in the works. You get more of whatever you subsidize, and France has chosen to subsidize babies. This reality should not be ignored in looking at the situation.
Finally, we have to be realistic. France has plenty of Catholics, but the French are not going to be reChristianizing. Most French simply don't believe in it. They are passively respectful of the traditions, but reject placing any real weight on what most French frankly think are old myths. They're Christians in name only, but are mostly secular scientific types. They don't think sex is a sin, and they are not going to go back TO thinking sex is a sin. Missionaries in France will tell you that they often get very polite listeners. Of course they do. But does that translate into a massive revival, or even a little revival, of Christianity in France? No. The French recall Christianity. It's all around them, after all, in those Cathedrals, in the symbology of the realm, in everything. But the French don't put any weight on those old traditions. That's what they are, traditions, like Athena and Zeus. It's interesting, in a clinical, detached sort of way, and the French respect tradition enough to bring families together to baptize infants, etc., but that's as far as it goes, or is ever likely to go.
What is happening with the Beurs is that Mohammed's religion is no more able to compete with frank, secular teenage sex than Jesus' has been. Immigration controls have stopped the flood of NEW Arabs into the country, and white birth rates have picked up so remarkably, thanks to "socialist" subsidies and comprehensive support systems for mothers to EASILY raise children in the society and have a full array of public supports, from universal day care and health care and pensions to heavy job protections and, of course, subsidies for large families.
THAT is how France has turned the corner on "Eurabia", and THAT, very secular, very pragmatic, rather sexualized and not very "Catholic" way is the way by which France is going to give the example to the rest of Europe how to avoid falling into the Islamist trap.
Unfortunately, other parts of Western Europe are in deeper trouble than France. The key is collapsed white birth rates. To do what France has done, countries such as Germany and England would have to massively expand their social state, and they are loath to do it. So they'll die out and fill up with Muslims...NOT Anglicized Arabs and Germans, the equivalent of the secularized, acculturated French Beurs, but Muslims and Arabs, living in their "culture apart".
That's a problem.
The thread suggests reChristianizing Europe. That won't work. Europeans simply do not believe in Christianity anymore. They think it's an old myth, replaced by science. They're not going to change their minds either. The French secular way of subsidizing white births - that DOES work. That's the way out of the mess. Will the rest of Europe follow? Maybe.
Socialism has become the faith of Western Europe. I spend a lot of time in England, and believe me, they are starting to act like the Eloi in H.G. Wells' "Time Machine". Europe is finished and headed toward a new dark age.
Time to get real here.
France has an enormous Muslim problem. The "Beurs" you are talking about are now reaching retirement age. They, or their parents, came from N. Africa after the Algerian War. They are not the problem, for the most part.
The problem is with Islamists. From N. Africa, the Middle East, and from Africa.
If you don't see tens of thousands of rioting, car burning, unemployed Muslim "yoots" as a problem, There is no hope for you.
Unless you believe the car burnerning rioting "yoots" wer Swedish.
Is this article referring to the US State Dept? Shouldn't Europe take care of its own problems?