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Bill would limit loans to those with a Social Security number
LAT ^ | 2/26/2007 | Kenneth R. Harney

Posted on 02/26/2007 2:20:42 PM PST by oblomov

WASHINGTON — New legislation on Capitol Hill seeks to curb an increasingly popular mortgage concept: providing home loans to applicants using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number in lieu of a Social Security number.

ITINs are issued by the Internal Revenue Service to assist immigrant workers who do not qualify for a Social Security number to report their income and pay federal taxes.

Dozens of banks around the country have begun offering home mortgages to undocumented immigrants using ITINs, but their programs generally have been low-key and small in volume. Bank of America provoked a controversy recently when it announced a pilot program in Los Angeles to provide credit cards to resident alien customers who lack Social Security numbers but have ITINs.

Some critics charged that the bank was seeking to profit by helping illegal immigrants who should be deported or prosecuted, not extended consumer credit. Bank of America said its program is legal and may be rolled out nationwide if the pilot is successful.

Now a bill has been introduced by Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-Roseville) that would amend the Truth in Lending Act to make ITIN mortgage lending illegal.

Doolittle's office released a statement that said, in part: "The government should not be in the business of creating incentives to encourage illegal behavior."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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I don't think this is the right cure.
1 posted on 02/26/2007 2:20:46 PM PST by oblomov
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To: oblomov

I do. The government already makes it illegal for banks to knowingly lend money to crime syndicates or to fund criminal activity.

Lending money to illegals is an area that is not specifically delineated - but should be.


2 posted on 02/26/2007 2:23:13 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: oblomov

Are Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers issued to illegal immigrants?

If so, I think we have a bigger problem than bank loans.


3 posted on 02/26/2007 2:24:29 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: oblomov

This is stupid.


4 posted on 02/26/2007 2:26:38 PM PST by Tulane
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To: oblomov

I wonder where all the "mark of the beast" folks will come down on this one...


5 posted on 02/26/2007 2:26:57 PM PST by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: oblomov

The american people are only going to take so much before they go POP!


6 posted on 02/26/2007 2:28:39 PM PST by jetson (II)
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To: oblomov

And let's not forget, if that bank goes belly up, who pays?


:O)

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7 posted on 02/26/2007 2:39:28 PM PST by papasmurf (Join Team 36120 Free Republic Folders. Folding@Home Enter Name:FRpapasmurf)
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To: oblomov

Doesn't the original law on ss state the number is not to be used for identification?


8 posted on 02/26/2007 2:55:08 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: thackney

Trouble is, a lot of illegal immigrants started out legal, and became illegal when their visas expired. Can't pay taxes without either a SS# or TI#, and if people are working here legally, they need to be paying taxes.


9 posted on 02/26/2007 3:02:30 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I should have looked it up originally.

ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.

What is an ITIN?

It makes it sound the like the government does care if your are illegal as long as they get their taxes paid.

10 posted on 02/26/2007 3:16:41 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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The american people are only going to take so much before they go POP!"

This is one of the few times I agree with John Doolittle.

There should be no participation in our society of persons who broke the law to be here in the first place, IMO.

Why should money that is available for mortgages be lent to non-ci9tizens? Can you do the same in Mexico? NOT!!
There are many people who have lived in the USA all of their lives who deserve a chance at home ownership ahead of illegal intruders.
Besides- How can these people who want mortgage loans prove they have jobs to pay back the money if they do not have a Soc Sec number, and are working here legally? You are not supposed to be able to work on a TIN, only on a Soc Sec ##.


11 posted on 02/26/2007 3:43:30 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: thackney
I don't understand why this is such a big deal.

I thought the whole purpose of the ITIN was to provide an ID# (for tax purposes) to people who are foreign nationals and may or may not reside in the country -- but who have to file U.S. taxes.

A perfect example of this would be a Japanese real estate tycoon who lives in Tokyo but owns a skyscraper in Manhattan.

12 posted on 02/26/2007 3:58:54 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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That example makes sense. I don't know if it is abused for illegal immigrants. Certainly your example is not someone who needs help getting a loan.
13 posted on 02/26/2007 4:02:10 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PeterPrinciple
"Doesn't the original law on ss state the number is not to be used for identification?"

Yep... Still says so on my original SS card. New ones don't.

14 posted on 02/26/2007 4:10:45 PM PST by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: oblomov

How long before you have to have (Insert favorite form of intrusive identification here) before you can buy and sell?


15 posted on 02/26/2007 4:13:51 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: oblomov
I don't think this is the right cure.

Neither do I. But many of those who've been worried for decades about the Social Security number becoming a national ID card have had a change of heart.

All of a sudden, Big Brother is welcome to come on in and have a seat.

16 posted on 02/26/2007 5:11:23 PM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
If their VISA expired, they are no longer here legally.
Hense they are also not working here "legally".

Funny how such a simple, logical, straightforward matter can become so complicated,when filtered through the minds of certain individuals...


What is the true meaning of "is"?
17 posted on 02/26/2007 5:15:51 PM PST by sarasmom ( War is not the most vile of the evils humanity commits . There is always apathy...)
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Ugh. I never thought I'd see the day when so-called "conservatives" are demanding we all be given identification numbers just to go about our daily lives.

The Republican Party has jumped the shark.

18 posted on 02/26/2007 7:06:21 PM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist
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To: ridesthemiles

"You are not supposed to be able to work on a TIN, only on a Soc Sec ##.

The problem is not with the TIN, but rather to whom a TIN is assigned.

People here on temporary work visas do not have a SS number, but still have to pay taxes on their earnings. Therefore, they are assigned a TIN.

The government by making a TIN available to illegals are, in effect, condoning the criminal behavior of illegal aliens. Hence, a TIN should not be assigned to illegal aliens.

The reasoning behind assigning a TIN to illegal aliens may be due to the IRC's definition of taxable income, which states (I'm paraphrasing here): "All income, from whatever sources is taxable, unless exempt." Therefore income from illegal activies must be reported. So, income earned by illegal aliens must be reported as taxable income.

Still, I believe, a TIN should not be assigned to criminals, such as illegal aliens, with the expectation that these criminals will earn illegal income.

I ain't no tax lawyer.


19 posted on 02/26/2007 7:22:28 PM PST by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: oblomov

I agree. Does anyone know if there is a law against loaning money to foreigners? I am pretty sure that foreigners are allowed to have bank accounts and receive loans in this country. My in-laws are not citizens and have bank accounts here. I am also pretty sure that this is important to our overall economy. Foreign investment is a good thing. How can you allow foreigners to have loans and invest in real estate, but limit investments by illegals? I don't know much about it, but it doesn't seem like this has been thought through.


20 posted on 02/26/2007 7:48:46 PM PST by ga medic
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