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China: High-tech Destroyers in Formation (New Year celebration?)
Shipborne Weapons ^ | March 2007 (issue date)

Posted on 02/24/2007 1:19:08 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: china; destroyers; plan
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1 posted on 02/24/2007 1:19:11 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; tallhappy; Dr. Marten; Jeff Head; Tainan; hedgetrimmer; ...

Chinese Navy's latest wartoys.


2 posted on 02/24/2007 1:20:01 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, kae jong-il, chia head, pogri, midget sh*tbag)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Interesting color.


3 posted on 02/24/2007 2:16:10 AM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

not bad..gun, point defence,sat com, ssm x 16, pt def, chopper


4 posted on 02/24/2007 2:16:57 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (Find out what brand the Ethiopians are drinking and send a case to all my generals.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Helipads on each one.


5 posted on 02/24/2007 2:20:48 AM PST by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Are they real ..?? They look like toys to me .. they seem too streamlined for real ships.


6 posted on 02/24/2007 2:43:37 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt
Are they real ..?? They look like toys to me .. they seem too streamlined for real ships.

Maybe these are just the versions they make for Wholesale Tool and Walmart.

7 posted on 02/24/2007 2:47:35 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: wildcatf4f3
"not bad

Of course! Nothing but the best stolen American technology.

8 posted on 02/24/2007 3:06:44 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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To: TigerLikesRooster

First picture ship is different from pictures two and three. Notice first destroyer has two stacks.

Last picture is faux.
Second ship back, 169. Notice the hull number doesn't advance forward of the gun, as on the other two. Plus the numbers don't seem to bend with the chine of hull.

Way back ships, the hull number are almost in the water.


9 posted on 02/24/2007 3:26:33 AM PST by Leisler (REAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS WALK.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Fishing reefs for the waters around Taiwan!


10 posted on 02/24/2007 4:03:35 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Leisler

Notice in the first picture, the shadow on the building (upper left of picture) and no shadow of the ship's outline on the building behind it.

Sure looks like a cut and paste to me.


11 posted on 02/24/2007 4:12:34 AM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wonder where they got the Gas Turbine technology?


12 posted on 02/24/2007 4:17:11 AM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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Proof that the New Democrat Third Way "progressives" and their Republican "free trader" partners are achieving great success in "raising everyone's boat." Congratulations!


13 posted on 02/24/2007 4:28:02 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: LZ_Bayonet
Of course! Nothing but the best stolen American technology.

Pretty much nothing American in the PLAN surface Navy. Hulls and most major weapons systems are Russian, while the electronics and the AAW suite are French.

14 posted on 02/24/2007 5:12:50 AM PST by Strategerist
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The hull shadow in the water looks fake. Look at the reflection of the 115 hull number in the water. Very strong, and the second '1' in the reflection of the '115' is different. Small localized waves? Snicker
15 posted on 02/24/2007 5:22:35 AM PST by Leisler (REAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS WALK.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They may not look like much now but if not for the US Navy, this could be a picture of the Japanese Imperial Navy, thirsting to OWN the pacific ocean. We underestimated the japs 70 years ago, and paid dearly for it...


16 posted on 02/24/2007 5:26:54 AM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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They're legitimate hull numbers of ships that actually exist and that appear to be of the correct class.


17 posted on 02/24/2007 5:33:24 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: timer

Well, you have to keep in mind that pic is of EVERY remotely modern destroyer the Chinese have.

I'd argue the Japanese are more underrated now than they were in 1941. Plenty of pics of the Japanese Naval Self-Defense Force that are more impressive.


18 posted on 02/24/2007 5:34:40 AM PST by Strategerist
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Not quite every vessel, it is missing 7 more destroyers.

The boats in the ship are 2 x type 052B, 1 x 052C, 1 x 051B, and the final two in the background are likely the 2 x type 052's. What is missing in the photograph is the other 052C, pennant 170 which was undergoing a refit at the time, the two type 051C's (one shown in the first picture), and the four Sovremennys.

The PLAN has a total of 13 modern destroyers.


19 posted on 02/24/2007 6:27:26 AM PST by cmdjing
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Actually, it does not nearly represent pictures of every modern destroyer the Chinese have. That picture shows threee destroyers and a few frigates. The Chinese have built or purchased 14 very modern destroyers in the last few years and are building more, and have also built 14 modern frigates.

Continuing, in the last 5-6 years the Chinese have built 78 new, modern major combatants and added them to their fleet. As a comparison, in that same time, we have built 46 new major combatants and added them to our fleet. But the kicker is this: In that same time period, we have decommissioned 49 major combatants, many of them with 10-15 years service life remaining (Spruance Class Destroyers, LA Class subs, Tara Class Amphibs, etc.). That means we have a net loss of three major combatants.

The chinese have decomissioned none of their vessels so they have increased their fleet by 78 vessels.

That trend , if continued (and it looks like it will continue), means the PLAN will rapidly catch up with and pass our US Navy in the Western Pacific in the next few years. IMHO, it dare not be discounted, scoffed at, or ignored.

I will have my 2007 update to my site that focuses on this ready within the next week or so. In the mean time, go there and look at the other updates and information. Their build rate and the shear numbers of new, modern classes of vessels if phenominal...and we are the main source of funding.


THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA

20 posted on 02/24/2007 6:51:27 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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