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To: xcamel

Oh, it's true. Islamic culture was the pinnacle of advancement circa 1400s. The problem is that it remained mired in the 15th century due to it's 7th century outlook on the world. And it is what grinds them so much now as they see how far they've fallen behind the infidels. The fundamentalists belive that is Allah's punishment for them straying away from the 'true' faith, hence their ebrace of radical theology. Our prosperity, culture and civilization is an affront to their view of themselves.


9 posted on 02/22/2007 6:23:27 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: farlander

And yet having a great civilization in the past can help give incentive to strive for a great civilization in the future. China (chiefly the PRC) and India look at their powerful pasts, and then--somewhat smugly--toward the future.


17 posted on 02/22/2007 6:28:16 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: farlander

Slammite society reached its zenith somewhere around 1200. Then, the guy in charge of the most major power in the slammite world burned the beards off of four of Chengis Khan's ambassadors and sent them back to Chengis Khan that way to show Chengis Khan how bad he was. It's been a downhill trip ever since then.


25 posted on 02/22/2007 6:31:30 PM PST by rickdylan
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To: farlander; All

Read Bernard Lewis's book "What Went Wrong".

Explains it very well.


59 posted on 02/22/2007 6:43:31 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: farlander
"Oh, it's true. Islamic culture was the pinnacle of advancement circa 1400s."

Coincidently, in the 1400s, China under the Ming Dynasty stopped their seafaring to foreign places shortly after a few excursions to Arabian areas.

The "civilized" culture was possibly revolted by backward Islamics, and then decided to lay low and back away from the Troglodytes.

That seems like a reasonable thing for me to believe, rather than that the Arabs were mathematical pioneers.

They weren't. A few years (decades) later, after the Chinese abandonment of exploration by sea, Columbus "discovered" America.

The Arabs do not like that math, nor do the Chinese.

125 posted on 02/22/2007 7:26:21 PM PST by Radix
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To: farlander

short answer envy


244 posted on 02/23/2007 3:12:16 AM PST by Nailbiter
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