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[Giuliani's] Allies could cause alarm
AM New York ^ | 22 February 2007 | Tom Brune

Posted on 02/22/2007 2:59:27 PM PST by Spiff

Allies could cause alarm

A list of Rudolph Giuliani's associates, past and present, who have faced legal trouble are likely to spur questions about his judgment

BY TOM BRUNE

February 22, 2007

WASHINGTON - It had been a few years since Richard Tollner last publicly accused his former teacher Msgr. Alan Placa of groping him in high school, but Tollner recently repeated the charges - raising an awkward issue for Rudolph Giuliani's run for president.

Tollner, now a mortgage banker, appeared at a Feb. 8 Manhasset meeting of Voice of the Faithful of Long Island, a Catholic group concerned about priest-abuse cases, and told how Placa used to corner him.

After the accusations first surfaced in 2002, the Diocese of Rockville Centre placed Placa on administrative leave, barring him from priestly duties and from wearing the collar. Placa, who insists he is innocent, has not been charged with a crime.

Yet despite the controversy, Giuliani gave his old friend Placa a job at Giuliani Partners, and Michael Hess, a partner at the firm and the ex-mayor's corporation counsel, handled Placa's legal matters.

Placa is one of several close allies of Giuliani who have faced trouble, controversies or even criminal convictions - and experts say they could come back to haunt Giuliani's campaign for the White House.

"Rudy Giuliani has never undergone the intense scrutiny that all presidential candidates must. In his case, such scrutiny will almost certainly prove difficult and troubling to his candidacy," said Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution.

Questions of judgment

"The ethical and legal problems of a number of his close associates - Bernie Kerik being the most prominent - raise legitimate questions about his judgment and his ethical sensitivity," Mann said.

The Giuliani campaign declined to comment.

"Everyone has some skeletons in his closet," said Eric Davis, a political scientist at Middlebury College.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), for example, was implicated in the "Keating Five" savings and loan scandal. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) entered into a real estate deal with a political fundraiser later indicted in a kickback scheme. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as first lady faced scandals involving the travel office and the Whitewater real estate investment.

These controversies are well known, but Giuliani's past is just now emerging nationally.

The most prominent

Take Bernard Kerik.

Giuliani promoted his former campaign driver from detective to a series of jobs ending with police commissioner, and later included him as a founder of Giuliani Partners.

Kerik imploded in scandal after being nominated in December 2004 to head the U.S. Homeland Security Department. He withdrew, citing his failure to pay nanny taxes.

But Kerik also had problems as city correction commissioner, a job given him by Giuliani. Last year, Kerik pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor corruption charges, one of them for letting an allegedly mob-tied firm renovate his apartment at no cost. He was fined $221,000.

And there are others.

One is Russell Harding. Giuliani in 2000 elevated Harding, son of a key political ally, at age 34, despite his lack of a college degree or expertise, to head the New York City Housing Development Corp.

"Tammany Hall had higher standards than this," urban historian Richard C. Wade complained at the time, referring to the corrupt political machine that once ran New York City.

In office, Harding took nearly half a million dollars in agency money, giving himself raises and bonuses, spending it on lavish meals and vacations, and buying a friend a $38,000 car.

In 2005, Harding pleaded guilty to charges he defrauded his agency and downloaded child pornography. Two of his aides also pleaded guilty in the scheme. Harding is serving 5 years and must pay back $366,000.

There is Louis Carbonetti, a longtime friend and father of Anthony Carbonetti, Giuliani's City Hall chief of staff and now a partner at Giuliani Partners.

Community Assistance Unit commissioner under Giuliani, Louis Carbonetti pleaded guilty in 2004 to perjury in a probe of a contract with a business improvement district he led after leaving City Hall. He is on 5 years' probation and must pay $17,500 in fines and restitution.

These and other figures run counter to the image Giuliani has cultivated: the tough federal prosecutor and mayor who cleaned up New York City.

They also tap into heartland America's stereotypes about New York, said Colby College scholar G. Calvin Mackenzie.

"His opponents in the primaries are going to do everything they can to emphasize that negative valence of New York," he said. "All they have to do is drop some names."

Giuliani's campaign staff is well aware of this potential bump in the road to the White House. In a list of potential problems, a campaign memo that surfaced last month included the entry: "Kerik."

Giuliani is trying out a formula to head off the attacks. When CNN's Larry King last week asked about Kerik, Giuliani responded, "I think the answer is I made a mistake and I took responsibility for it."

Loyalty a priority

Critics say Giuliani often selected little-known people like Kerik, groomed them and advanced them as far as they could go in their careers, making loyalty to him the priority.

Some analysts say most of his aides were competent and upstanding, and he had no more scandals than other mayors. One Democratic analyst said Giuliani's public presence after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks trumps his scandals: "9/11 cleansed Rudy of his sins."

Yet Giuliani won't be able to control when controversial figures from his past re-appear.

Kerik, for example, re-emerged in October in stories about his role in wiretapping the husband of a New York candidate at her request. And the city's correction department under him is still being probed.

Then there was Tollner's talk a week ago in Manhasset.

In it, he described how Placa sought to isolate him from others so he could touch him. Placa stopped, Tollner said, only after he threatened the priest when he approached him at his father's funeral.

Placa has denied the story.

After Placa stepped down from his church posts, a Suffolk County grand jury report in 2003 cited his three accusers and said he used his position as vice chancellor of the diocese to stifle priest-abuse complaints.

Placa, who was not charged with a crime, is in a church process to clear his name. He lives at a parish where many support him despite protests.

Placa, a once powerful and now polarizing figure on Long Island, is an old Giuliani friend who was best man for his first marriage, baptized his children, helped him annul his first marriage and buried his mother.

Giuliani walked away from Kerik and others but has stood by Placa, an attorney who still works at Giuliani Partners.

Tollner said his speech had nothing to do with Giuliani, but some priest-abuse activists are puzzled by Giuliani's loyalty to Placa.

Terry McKiernan, of Bishop Accountability in Massachusetts, said it could be "a surprising case of a politician standing by an old friend even though the old friend is inconvenient."

But Barbara Blaine, president of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, in Chicago, offered a different take.

"It certainly begs the question of whether Giuliani is going to be tough on sex offenders and tough on crime if he is willing to employ someone with allegations like that."

Political baggage?

The legal and ethical troubles of some of Rudolph Giuliani’s past associates could bring difficulties for his presidential bid.

MSGR. ALAN PLACA

Former vice chancellor of the Diocese of Rockville Centre. Suspended amid accusations he groped a student three decades ago. Is a longtime family friend of Giuliani, who since hired him as an employee at his firm.

LOUIS CARBONETTI

Head of the city's Community Assistance Unit under Giuliani. He left, and in 2004 pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about his relationship with a firm that got a contract from a business improvement district he headed.

BERNARD KERIK

Former New York City police commissioner. His failure to pay nanny taxes cost him

a post as homeland security chief. Pleaded guilty in June to misdemeanor corruption charges for actions he took as corrections commissioner.

RUSSELL HARDING

Appointed by Giuliani in 2000 as head of the city's Housing Development Corp.

Pleaded guilty in 2005 to embezzling more than $400,000 from the agency

and to possessing child pornography.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: corruption; election2008; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; kerik; rino; rudygiuliani; willtapdance4votes
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1 posted on 02/22/2007 2:59:30 PM PST by Spiff
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; jmc813; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...

(((((STOP RUDY PING)))))


2 posted on 02/22/2007 3:00:24 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

Is it any wonder the media is so intent on Rudy getting the GOP nomination.

He'll be an easy target for the Clinton War Room.


3 posted on 02/22/2007 3:04:18 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: Spiff

Keep up the good work finding this information, educating voters is the answer to stopping Rudyliberalism.


4 posted on 02/22/2007 3:04:34 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Spiff

projecting.


rudy will win.


5 posted on 02/22/2007 3:05:09 PM PST by beansox
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To: Spiff

The 14.1%'ers will be here soon to argue that their Rino is better than Hillary.


6 posted on 02/22/2007 3:05:34 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Spiff
Kerik imploded in scandal after being nominated in December 2004 to head the U.S. Homeland Security Department. He withdrew, citing his failure to pay nanny taxes.

Perhaps the most interesting angle to this story was that the reason Kerik cited for "withdrawing" from consideration were a complete lie.

Kerik was dumped as a nominee to the Homeland Security post when the White House was given some pretty damning information about him -- in particular, a copy of an open warrent for Kerik's arrest from a New York court.

For Giuliani to even associate with someone of this sort -- let alone recommend him to head up the U.S. Department of Homeland Security -- speaks volumes of his flawed character.

7 posted on 02/22/2007 3:07:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Spiff

What's all this got to do with being elected? Look at everything that surrounded the Clintons.


8 posted on 02/22/2007 3:08:13 PM PST by bkepley
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To: Spiff
..darlings of the media have a limited shelf life

Just ask John McCain...

9 posted on 02/22/2007 3:09:07 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Spiff
On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.


The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

A More Charismatic Version of Arlen Specter

Rudy Giuliani may have many fine qualities, but he is not a conservative, nor has he always been a loyal Republican.

For example, back in the mid-nineties, when he was actually running New York City, Rudy could have fairly been said to have governed as a moderate at best and to the left-of-center at worst:

"The National Journal’s rating system put him at 56 percent conservative and 44 percent liberal on economic issues in 1996 and assessed him as liberal by 59 to 40 percent in looking at his social issues votes."

The New York Observer also had a very interesting selection of quotes from and about Rudy over the years that may give his conservative supporters more than a little pause. Here are a few of those quotations:

Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But when the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion. -- N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of R. Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

Mr. Rockefeller represented "a tradition in the Republican Party I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." -- Rudy Giuliani, New York Times, July 9, 1992

What kind of Republican? Is [Giuliani], for instance, a Reagan Republican? [Giuliani] pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." -- Village Voice, January 24, 1989

"Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."

Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." -- Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

"From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, 'Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." -- Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City, Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." -- Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S., Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

Does this really sound like the sort of candidate we want as a standard bearer for the Republican Party?

He Can't Keep His Pants Up

There has only been one man who has ever made it to the White House after being divorced and that was Ronald Reagan, who had been married to Nancy for more than 25 years before his campaign in 1980. Rudy, on the other hand, is on his third wife.

Furthermore, his second divorce from Donna Hanover was extremely ugly. Hanover accused Rudy of "open and notorious adultery." She also claimed Rudy had an affair with a staffer, Christyne Lategano-Nicholas, which both Giuliani and Lategano-Nicholas denied. However, Rudy has acknowledged that he started seeing his current wife, Judith Nathan, before his divorce from Hanover was finalized in 2002.

Given how recent this divorce was, Rudy's adultery, and the fact that he married, "the other woman," the press can be expected to cover Rudy's marriage to Hanover exhaustively if he gets the nomination and needless to say, Rudy, quite deservedly, will not come off very well.

Does He Have The Judgment To Be President?

As you've just seen, Rudy hasn't necessarily made the best decisions in his personal life. Unfortunately, the Bernard Kerik incident shows that Giuliani's poor judgment can spill over into political matters as well.

Rudy recommended his friend and business partner, Bernard Kerik, for the position of Homeland Security Secretary and the Bush administration, perhaps because Rudy vouched for him, didn't do a very thorough job of vetting him.

Soon after Kerik's nomination became public, allegations surfaced that Kerik was having two simultaneous affairs, had ties to a construction company "linked to the mob," and had an illegal alien nanny whose taxes hadn't been paid. Under fire from the press, Kerik withdrew his name from consideration for the Homeland Security position and the Bush administration was left with egg on its face for putting up such a scandal ridden nominee.

While the whole debacle was embarrassing for the Bush Administration, it raised even more serious questions about Rudy. After all, if Bernard Kerik is the sort of person Rudy sees as an appropriate friend, business partner, and nominee to run the Homeland Security Department, it makes you wonder what kind of people he is surrounding himself with on a day to day basis.

How Electable Is Rudy Giuliani Really?

One of the biggest selling points for Rudy Giuliani is supposed to be that he's "electable" because a lot of independents and Democrats will vote for him. The problem with that sort of thinking is that if he becomes the Republican nominee, the very liberal mainstream media will spend nine months relentlessly savaging him in an effort to help the Democrats. Because of that, Giuliani's sky high polling numbers with non-Republicans are 100% guaranteed to drop significantly before election time rolls around in 2008.

That is not necessarily a problem; after all the mainstream media is always against the Republican nominee, if -- and this is a big "if" -- the GOP nominee has strong support from the Republican base.

The big problem Rudy has is that he isn't going to be able to generate that kind of support. For one thing, as a candidate, he offers almost nothing to social conservatives, without whom a victory for George Bush in 2004 wouldn't have been possible. If the choice in 2008 comes down to a Democrat and a pro-abortion, soft on gay marriage, left-of-center candidate on social issues -- like Rudy -- you can be sure that millions of "moral values voters" will simply stay home and cost the GOP the election.

The other issue is in the South. George Bush swept every Southern state in 2000 and 2004, which is quite an impressive feat when you consider that the Democrats had Southerner Al Gore at the top of the ticket in 2000 and John Edwards as the veep in 2004. Unfortunately, a pro-abortion, soft on gay marriage, pro-gun control RINO from New York City just isn't going to be able to repeat that performance. Even against a carpetbagger like Hillary Clinton, it's entirely likely that you'll see at least 2 or 3 states in the South turn from red to blue if Rudy Giuliani is the nominee.

Also, the reason why George Bush's approval numbers have been mired in the high thirties/low forties of late is because he has lost a significant amount of Republican support, primarily because his domestic policies aren't considered conservative enough. Since that's the case, running a candidate who is several steps to Bush's left on domestic policy certainly doesn't seem like a great way to unite the base again.

Conclusion

Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party.


10 posted on 02/22/2007 3:09:47 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: bkepley
What's all this got to do with being elected? Look at everything that surrounded the Clintons.

Precisely! Which is one of the reasons that Republicans were so opposed to the Clintons. Which is one of the reasons that Republicans need to learn more about the front runner's odius political views and embarassing personal baggage and pick one of the more electable, more Republican candidates who are also running.

11 posted on 02/22/2007 3:09:50 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: ASA Vet

anyone is better than hillary.


12 posted on 02/22/2007 3:09:56 PM PST by beansox
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To: Spiff

This story gives names and specifics of scandals linked to several of Rudy Giuliani associates at Giuliani Partners, LLC. If Rudy think this will just "blow over" he is in for a surprise. If there is this much scandal in the open, how much more is being swept under the rug?


13 posted on 02/22/2007 3:10:28 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: beansox

Do you also believe that RinoRudy is the only one who can beat Hillary?


14 posted on 02/22/2007 3:11:56 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: beansox; Spiff
projecting.

Explain what you mean. (And I don't require a definition of the word)

15 posted on 02/22/2007 3:12:15 PM PST by jla
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To: Spiff

16 posted on 02/22/2007 3:12:49 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: bkepley; Spiff
"What's all this got to do with being elected? Look at everything that surrounded the Clintons."

Republicans wont be voting for the Clinton's either.
17 posted on 02/22/2007 3:13:23 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: NapkinUser

Two questions: 1) How many times have you posted your little screed, and 2) how effective do you think it's been?


18 posted on 02/22/2007 3:16:17 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: My2Cents

If you don't like it scroll past it.


19 posted on 02/22/2007 3:18:22 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Spiff
"It certainly begs the question of whether Giuliani is going to be tough on sex offenders and tough on crime if he is willing to employ someone with allegations like that."

Placa hasn't been charged with anything, denies the allegations made by a private individual, and is apparently attempting to clear his name through some church process.

He hasn't even been charged, much less found guilty.

20 posted on 02/22/2007 3:25:59 PM PST by Dog Gone
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