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If this is true then heads should roll over this, high up heads.
1 posted on 02/22/2007 10:31:24 AM PST by Abathar
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To: Abathar
The Post Commander, CSM and the C.E. guys just ended thier careers.


2 posted on 02/22/2007 10:36:47 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Abathar
Declare all returning vets "enemy combatants" and the leftists will DEMAND better treatment and conditions.

If all this is true it is a damn shame these brave folks are treated worse than those in Guantanamo.
3 posted on 02/22/2007 10:37:30 AM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Abathar

Oh rest assured it is very true. Military medical facilities and transition assistance programs are sadly lacking in upkeep and validity. They promised transition assistance to me and several others... all we got was discharge papers and a kick to the curb. But no High placed head will roll they never do... some poor bastard will become a scape goat and that will be that.


4 posted on 02/22/2007 10:40:00 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Abathar

Meanwhile, over at the VA healthcare facilities, staffed with third world doctors who can barely speak english or doctors who can't get a job anywhere else, things are really beginning to suck again.


6 posted on 02/22/2007 10:44:19 AM PST by battlegearboat
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They need legislation to fix this?

Monitor lizards for the bugs. They're big enough to smack the cats. The cats will be brought in for the rodent infestation. I don't what to say about the mold.


7 posted on 02/22/2007 10:49:25 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Are those coyotes I hear, or is Hillary singing again?)
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To: Abathar
"Unless the individual truly responsible can be identified when something goes wrong, no one has really been responsible. With the advent of modern management theories it is becoming common for organizations to deal with problems in a collective manner, by dividing programs into subprograms, with no one left responsible for the entire effort. There is also the tendency to establish more and more levels of management, on the theory that this gives better control. These are but different forms of shared responsibility, which easily lead to no one being responsible—a problems that often inheres in large corporations as well as in the Defense Department."

Doing a Job

By Adm. Hyman G. Rickover

10 posted on 02/22/2007 11:02:50 AM PST by Leisler (REAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS WALK.)
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To: Abathar

There is no excuse for this screw-up by the Army. None!! I want a few generals' heads served up on a platter and the sooner the better. Throw in a few Colonels and Lt. Colonels and we have the making of a real shakeup going. The head medical officer should be fired and demoted to Private E-1 for allowing this kind of crap to exist on his watch. Our military men and women deserve the best treatment they can get, and there is no excuse for that not being the case.This just really sucks and I'm ashamed of our medical officers for allowing this to happen.


11 posted on 02/22/2007 11:05:28 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Abathar

What? The military medical systems sucks! Who knew?


13 posted on 02/22/2007 11:09:40 AM PST by Mr.Unique (Why did Lloyd Dobler want Diane Court anyway??)
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To: Abathar
Despite room conditions being appalling I am even more troubled by the Army's systemic screwing of the disabled veterans of their disability benefits by claiming mental breakdowns were prior conditions. One case in the Post series concerned someone who I think was crushed in an accident. His leg didn't heal properly and the disability benefit was either reduced or not provided because he had a predisposition to wasting. WTF is that?
Another issue is paying family members 62.50 per day for helping. Only $50 is provided because they won't make change and the rest is given upon discharge. I find that repugnantly cheap.
It is easy to clean up the rooms, but more difficult to change the institutional screwwing of these men and their families. Heads should roll indeed. This is shameful to take advantage of these people.
15 posted on 02/22/2007 11:26:57 AM PST by zek157
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To: Abathar

Government health care. Anyone is surprised?


17 posted on 02/22/2007 11:30:37 AM PST by Forgotten Amendments
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To: Abathar

Some of this is due to the fact that WRAMC is on the BRAC list and the medical treatment is moving to Bethesda. Funding for maintenance/upgrade becomes hard to justify. That said the Army deserves egg on their face for not budgeting for the facilities maintenance.

As far as being kicked to the curb, well when and where in the military did you not need someone to work the system. In this day of the internet it should be easy to organize resources amongst the mil bloggers. I don't remember that training included waiting for someone to load your weapon. You can be pissed, angry and feel deserted but in the end it's up to you and your buddies to drive on.


20 posted on 02/22/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Jane Fonda was type cast in the movie "Klute")
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To: Abathar

Vets gotta face it. When in uniform they are heros. When they get out, they are costs.


21 posted on 02/22/2007 11:34:38 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Abathar

Interesting that when the original story was first posted on FR, just about the only codemnation was for the reporters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787162/posts


22 posted on 02/22/2007 11:39:57 AM PST by elc (Guns kill people the same way the spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat.)
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To: Abathar
Read the DoD Press Release from yesterday and VCS and SecArmy inspected every one of the 54 rooms in Bldg 18. GEN Cody said the condidtion of the rooms ranged from Very Good to Not Good (i.e., unacceptable). I'd love to know the breakout on that.

I'm not making excuses for the condition of any of those unacceptable rooms, but given the hysterical media portrayal, most people would be surpised to learn we're talking about maximum 54 rooms. Also, the soldier with the worst room, mold and a hole in the shower ceiling, could have been moved to another room but elected to stay in that one because he did not want a roommate.

The holes were patched, mattresses and rugs replaced basically in a day. The mold correction was started and the soldiers were moved out of those rooms.

Again, the Washington Post and the WH Press Corps wanted to ride a hobby horse to replace the Libby one that just had it's legs sawed off.

It this were peacetime, and military people get seriously hurt in training during peacetime, if you bought this problem to Dana Priest and asked for her help, not only would she NOT cover it, as a graduate of University of California Santa Cruz she'd probably spit in your eye.

Sympathy or outrage by the WaPo played no role in this story, bashing Bush did.

That the admin problems will now get quick attention and hopefully improve, I'm thrilled, but that was the unitended consequences of this article.

24 posted on 02/22/2007 12:40:10 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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And families described what they saw as a never-ending maze of bureaucratic entanglements as they sought care and support for their loved ones.

Well, this is the government and the military we're talking about here. Bureaucracy is their very life blood. When you put the two of them together, well... that's what you get.

26 posted on 02/22/2007 12:44:38 PM PST by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: Abathar

What is surprising is that the veteran's organizations were AWOL on this.


30 posted on 02/22/2007 1:03:29 PM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Just A Nobody; bmwcyle

I found two, 6-page or so articles on this. Haven't had a chance to read them yet, but they were quite in-depth.


31 posted on 02/22/2007 1:04:09 PM PST by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: Abathar

I just finished watching Rome (the HBO series) and I'll tell you that decimation comes to mind when dealing with the admin folk.


34 posted on 02/28/2007 3:57:57 PM PST by Live free or die
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