Posted on 02/22/2007 8:58:34 AM PST by Reagan Man
Giuliani has a tough road ahead in South Carolina, which is to host the first Southern primaries in 2008. His moderate positions on gun control and support for abortion rights do not sit well with the state's Christian conservatives, who accounted for a third of the 2000 GOP primary vote. Those voters swung heavily to President Bush that year, giving him a 2-1 ratio margin over Arizona Sen. John McCain, who was viewed as soft on abortion.
On Wednesday, Giuliani reiterated his own position.
"I'd advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion," Giuliani said. "I'd like to see it ended, but ultimately I believe that a woman has the right to choose.
"I believe that you've got to run based on who you are, what you really are and then people actually get a right to disagree with you," he said. "And I find if you do it that way, even people who disagree with you sometimes respect you."
BULLoney! That is wrong. Its been posted to ad nauseam. The year was 1967 when Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act into law. By 1968 Reagan had regretted his decision of the year before. Reagan opposed Roe V Wade after it became the law of the land through judicial fiat in 1973.
Majority Opinion: "The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy."
But we're going to find one . . . .
"Whizzer" White was right.
.....and WE have the right to vote for somebody else ping.
So was J. Rehnquist:
"To reach its result, the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment. As early as 1821, the first state law dealing directly with abortion was enacted by the Connecticut Legislature. By the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868, there were at least 36 laws enacted by state or territorial legislatures limiting abortion. While many States have amended or updated their laws, 21 of the laws on the books in 1868 remain in effect today."
Why is it ignorant? If no one has the right to end life, then why is it ok to send people to war...war OK, self-defense OK, murder not ok, abortion not ok.
The end result of all of them is the ending of a human life, why are some ok, and others not? Sounds like the right to end a life is relative to the situation.
When are you guys ever going to learn that people don't like to be told what they can and can not do?
Really? Do you have a job? Do you have children? Let me clue you in just in case the answer is no. People may not "like" to be told what they can and cannot do, but they will have to get over it if they expect to function in a civilized society. If you have a job, you are told what to do, and if you don't do it, you are fired. And I hope to God if you have children, you tell them what they can or cannot do. You've also been told you cannot rob banks, or plow through a crowd with your car,etc. Do you have a problem being told that as well?
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You're right, there is no comparison...but what about an innocent victim of war? or someone in the army? Who gets to determine the justness of the war? Is it ok for a draftee to take the life of another draftee in a different army, just because their leaders have decided so? The draftees did nothing wrong either.
Really? According to Robert's Rules or what? You?
I'll tell you what, we'll just change that to "a person's right to choose" and when you get pregnant we'll understand.
When are you guys ever going to learn that people don't like to be told what they can and can not do?
Whatever happened to the conservative mantra that government should stay out of your affairs...and now you want the government to outlaw a woman's right to choose?
"I'd advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion," Giuliani said.
The Quotable Rudolph W. Giuliani
The New York State Liberal Party on Rudy Giuliani:
Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But when the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion.
--N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of R. Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989
On the Republican Party:
Mr. Rockefeller represented "a tradition in the Republican Party I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition."
--Rudy Giuliani
New York Times
July 9, 1992
What kind of Republican? Is [Giuliani], for instance, a Reagan Republican? [Giuliani] pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican."
--Village Voice
January 24, 1989
On Attending 1996 Republican Convention:
Rudy even expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention."
--Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani,
Page 459, Wayne Barrett
On Barry Goldwater:
He [Giuliani] described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant." Barry Goldwater was an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man."
--New York Daily News,
May 13, 1997
On President Bill Clinton:
Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."
Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats."
--Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani,
Wayne Barrett, Page 459
Rudy Giuliani's October 1994 Endorsement of Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo:
"From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo."
--Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City
Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133
Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo:
"Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state."
"But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed."
--Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement,
October 25, 1994
"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party."
--Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party,
CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994
On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights:
National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, Mayor Giuliani said yesterday.
"I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said.
The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples.
"I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country."
--New York Daily News, May 13, 1998
On Gay-Rights\Gay Rights Bill:
Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately.
"I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action."
"...It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment."
--New York Post, June 5, 1993
Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office.
--Ray Kerrison
New York Post, June 30, 1993
Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal."
--Ray Kerrison
New York Post, July 7, 1989
On Gay Domestic Partnership:
"I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership."
--Rudy Giuliani
Informed Sources
New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992
On Abortion:
Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing.
--New York Times, June 18, 1993
"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade."
--Rudy Giuliani
New York Newsday, September 1, 1989
As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal.
--New York Times, August 4, 1989
On Partial Birth Abortion:
Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure.
-- New York Times, January 7, 1998
On School Choice:
"I wanted to know if he supports tuition tax credits and vouchers, which he doesn't."
--Sandra Feldman,
President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993
On Taxes:
[Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering."
--Newsday, August 31, 1989
On fighting terrorism:
Giuliani said he believed Clinton, like his successor, did everything he could with the information he was provided.
"Every American president I've known would have given his life to prevent an attack like that. That includes President Clinton, President Bush," the former mayor said outside a firehouse here. "They did the best they could with the information they had at the time." --September 27, 2006
[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000
TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999
MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?
MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...
MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]
MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....
MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?
MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000
Anyone who is okay with killing innocent human beings just because they are 'inconvenient' has no respect for human life.
What the heck does your libertarian rhetoric have to do with abortion, which IS murder of a human being?
None of the great figures of American history, who bequeathed us our Constitutional freedoms, were the least bit concerned about protecting your freedom to gamble, do drugs, or be drunk. Local and state governments were perfectly free to control such antisocial behavior, and did so.
People have the ability to choose to do all kinds of things. A man might decide to kick a woman in the stomach until she miscarries.
Just because someone has the ability to choose to do something doesn't mean that choice should be legal. Abortion takes and innocent human life. It should be illegal except in cases where the mother's life is medically at stake.
Oh for crying out loud! Take that argument to it's logical conclusion and you have chaos and anarchy! People don't like being told what to do? Tough! Ever since before Moses came down from the mountain murder has been illegal in all societies with even a vestige of civilization. As far as I'm concerned it still is.
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