Rudy Giuliani: 'A Woman Has the Right to Choose' Abortion

NewsMax ^ | Feb 22, 2007 | NewsMax.com Staff

[Reagan Man]

Giuliani has a tough road ahead in South Carolina, which is to host the first Southern primaries in 2008. His moderate positions on gun control and support for abortion rights do not sit well with the state's Christian conservatives, who accounted for a third of the 2000 GOP primary vote. Those voters swung heavily to President Bush that year, giving him a 2-1 ratio margin over Arizona Sen. John McCain, who was viewed as soft on abortion.

On Wednesday, Giuliani reiterated his own position.

"I'd advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion," Giuliani said. "I'd like to see it ended, but ultimately I believe that a woman has the right to choose.

"I believe that you've got to run based on who you are, what you really are and then people actually get a right to disagree with you," he said. "And I find if you do it that way, even people who disagree with you sometimes respect you."

[Aquinasfan]

Does that sound like anyone considers it legally on a par with murder, including those who drafted the partial birth abortion bill?

No. But that does not mean that abortion opponents believe the act to be any less the taking of a human life than first degree murder.

Consider that manslaughter is treated differently from first degree murder because of the intent and understanding of the perpetrator. That doesn't make the victim any less dead, but it does absolve the perpetrator of a certain amount of guilt. These same qualifications to the guilt of a killer can apply to women who kill their babies in the womb.

Additionally, there are prudential reasons for light punishment, not the least of which being that imprisoning these women for years would overburden the corrections system. Another justification for legislation including light punishments for women who kill their babies in the womb is that it would be difficult to enact legislation including tougher penalties.

[Aquinasfan]

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell."

So true. A conscience can be a terrible thing.

[Aquinasfan]

I don't like to see blood, quite frankly...

You advocate the slaughter of children in the womb, but don't have the guts to look the victims of your indifference in the eye.

I don't know how you people sleep at night.

[stuartcr]

No, I mean that I believe that each of us has a moral code that God gave us individually.

I don't know what you mean by...'it doesn't follow that objective moral truths do not exist'

As I said, my beliefs are just what is in me, they aren't based on anything from anywhere other than the way I believe God made me.

How am I ignoring the why? I have no idea why people do what they do.

I have not said I know any of this, I said I believe these things. I believe God made me this way, but I may very well be wrong. I have no way of knowing. It's a belief, not a knowledge.

I do not believe that I am the only thing that exists, nor that I am God, but if you wish to think of me that way, feel free. All I can base my beliefs on are what is in my mind, heart and soul, which, I believe, is a combination of what God has created in me, and what I have learned and experienced in my life, and some other things which I am not conciously aware of. As a human I have my concepts of what is good and what is evil, and as far as I know, they are pretty much like other humans.

[Aquinasfan]

each of us has a moral code that God gave us individually.

God gave us different moral codes to live by?

That makes no sense at all. God is good and perfect, and cannot do anything that is contradictory.

People may have imperfect knowledge of what constitutes good and evil in various circumstances, but that does not mean that moral laws do not exist.

[wireman]

Then keep working to change hearts and minds. It's the only way things will change.

[stuartcr]

So it makes no sense to you, OK. There is much, if not all, that I do not know concerning what God can or cannot do.

[markomalley]

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

Just thought it would be appropriate to remember on which site we're posting...

[areafiftyone]

WE KNOW!!!

[NCLaw441]

The crux of the issue is whether women have the right to terminate a child's life inside them.
No, it is not. It is whether a woman has a right to choose whether she wishes to carry a fetus to term.
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Unless you propose a method by which the child/fetus survives the woman's choice to decline "to carry a fetus to term," your formulation of the issue is the same as mine.

[Theophilus]

It's a piece of liberal sophistry.

Yah, I'd never expect to hear the Hero Of 9/11 say:

"I'd like to see terrorism ended, but ultimately I believe that a terrorist has the right to choose"

[madprof98]

Maybe you need to go to join your anti-American comrades in Massachusetts or Afghanistan.

The last 'abortion' related murder I recall was one of you buddies killing a doctor Upstate

I do not believe in moral absolutes.

I don't know how they sleep at night either. But I'll tell you this: The rest of us are going to have to keep some all-night vigils if this crew gets control of the GOP or - God help us! - the government of the United States.

You know, I've been reading and posting on FreeRepublic almost every single day since 1998, and I cannot believe this is happening here. Either some group has joined up to deliberately try to destroy the forum, or else Rudy Giuliani just brings out the worst in people who were lurking here all along.

[harrowup]

Just thought it would be appropriate to remember on which site we're posting...

I'll be the first to remind Mr. Giuliani of that fact when he next posts here.

[BykrBayb]

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

How would electing Guiliani keep Clinton out of the White House?

[Eric Blair 2084]

FYI, at bay works for Jimmy Swaggart. :-) Thought you should know. I haven't made up my mind yet regarding the candidates for the 2008 GOP nomination. I figured I would actually listen to what they had to say before making up my mind. In the meantime, I am enjoying listening to the debate/conversation between the fiscal and social conservatives. It's fascinating and I'm learning a lot from all of you.

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"Introducing first, to my right, fighting out of the red corner, wearing their Sunday best with a gold crucifix...weighing in at 800 pounds...the social conservatives, the religious right, the champions of family values...from the Southern States...The Evangelicals!" (wild applause)

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I don’t know how Rudy always manages to be in the wrong (right) place at the right (wrong) time. First in the middle of 9/11 and then this battle between the social and fiscal conservatives.

Chapter 1: Live From the Reagan Building

I’m not even sure that the “combatants” in this debate on FR understand how important it is. IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE, READ PAGE 19 OF SAGERS’ BOOK. It discusses a Giuliani candidacy in an almost Nostradamus-like prophecy.

[N3WBI3]

I am more surprised you don't understand that fact is central to my argument, the woman's right to choose whether to carry a fetus to term is about as individual a right as there is

No the right not to be killed by another kinda trumps that, you can try to call an unborn baby a fetus to make killing it ok but it was a nice try. Were seriously debating whether a woman having to keep a baby for nine months as it grows or a baby's right to not be murdered is more fundamental? you have to be kidding!

If you don't like the SCOTUS ruling then elect the boys to Congress to change that fact.

Thats exactly what people who respect life are trying to do and is why I hope the GOP gets throttled if the pick a pro choice candidate.

[N3WBI3]

People who argue from your position tend to forget that...life does not begin at conception.

Says the same court that once said African Americans were only two fifths of a person..

Now, I am done with all of you who think God belongs in the classroom, abortionists should be jailed or shot with your weapon of choice...get the point?

But apparently you're not done with classic leftist style hyperbole. I hold neither a desire for Prayer in the Classroom nor killing anyone... get the point?

[Captain Gates]

------"The last 'abortion' related murder I recall was one of you buddies killing a doctor Upstate."------


So what do you call it when a 'doctor'(sans hippocratic fidelity) kills the unborn child sir? Is it a 'paid hit'? Is this not murder? What would Jesus have said about this 'procedure'?

[narses]

While he was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment only two were Republican.

All of his other judical appointments were either registered Liberals or registered Democrats. As the “Republican Mayor” he had appointment power over more than 70 full commissioners in more than 50 City agencies, yet at no time during his administration did REPUBLICANS account for more than 10% of those appointments.

He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner.


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Rudolph Giuliani

[narses]

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