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Principled Conservatives Might Not Have a Horse in Presidential Race (unless Newt runs?)
Orange County Register/Belleville News ^ | 2.22.07 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 02/22/2007 7:39:41 AM PST by meg88

Principled conservatives might not have a horse in the presidential race

By Steven Greenhut

The Orange County Register

(MCT)

I was dismayed by the stories, but I wasn't surprised by them. During the recent California Republican Party Convention in Sacramento, newspapers reported that party delegates - including many grass-roots conservatives and even some conservative party stalwarts - were wildly enthusiastic about the presidential candidacy of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Any "conservative" party that can embrace as governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a man whose recent policies often outflank the Democrats on the left, doesn't care about principles, only about winning. Hence, my lack of surprise.

We're told that Giuliani - supposedly "America's mayor" for his calming speeches and commanding presence after the 9/11 attack on New York - is that special Republican someone who can beat the nearly invincible Sen. Hillary Clinton.

I dread Hillary as much as the next guy, and am not fooled by her carefully orchestrated "moderation" as a senator. Once in office, we can expect her to push hard for socialized health care and other policies that expand the size and power of government.

But it seems foolish and unprincipled to advance a Republican alternative who is at least equally as committed as the Democrat, and maybe even more so, to a muscular, intrusive and virtually unlimited government.

Sure, Giuliani spoke at the convention about his successes in trimming New York's once unmanageable bureaucracy, in cutting taxes and in reducing the city's crime rate. Those are tangible and laudable accomplishments, even if the mayor takes credit for trends (i.e., falling crime) that started before he came into office.

To Giuliani's advocates, his main political problem is his liberal stance on social issues - necessary as a mayor of the nation's biggest city, but trouble when he, say, tries to win primary support in places such as Iowa and South Carolina. Supporters eagerly await his rapprochement with the religious right.

For instance, R. Emmett Tyrell Jr., argued in a recent New York Sun column, "As an urban reformer and seasoned warrior in the struggle against international terror, Mr. Giuliani will be a formidable candidate for the presidency. Surely conservatives of all stripes will recognize this. What they need to hear next is where the mayor stands on conservative social issues."

Yet my real interest was in the headline on Tyrell's Giuliani column: "In case you missed it: Not since T.R." Tyrell and some other conservatives see Giuliani as the reincarnation of Teddy Roosevelt, who historically has been loathed by many conservatives as a power-mad progressive who expanded government power at the expense of the private sector. Actually, this debate over social issues, although of some significance, does not accurately define the fault lines of the Republican Party.

The real long-standing divide in the GOP is not between pro-lifers and pro-choicers, but between libertarian-oriented Republicans who believe in the Reaganite admonition that "government is not the solution but the problem," and law-and-order Republicans who believe that "if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide from the government."

It's always been an uncomfortable alliance, one that worked politically during the Reagan years thanks mostly to Reagan's rhetorical skills, but has become uneasy in recent years. After 9/11, those of us who understand that controlling government is the key founding concept of this nation have been routed by those who believe the opposite.

Under George W. Bush, the United States has embarked on the decidedly non-libertarian tasks of (a) fighting foreign wars, (b) limiting civil liberties at home as a way to root out potential threats at home, © expanding government programs, and (d) promoting the idea that government planners will protect and help us, if only we respect and obey them.

Few politicians epitomize this Government Knows Best ideology more than Giuliani. Yes, he trimmed back some of New York's government as a form of glasnost. The bureaucracy had become so unmanageable that cuts were needed to save it. Given the near-anarchy that at one time ruled the city's streets, some of his crackdowns were warranted. But, fundamentally, Giuliani is a man who believes in centralizing power, in using the full extent of that power regardless of the effect on liberty.

A quick perusal of a New York Times archive from the Giuliani administration makes this case quickly and clearly. There's the story about the city forcibly removing the homeless from the streets and district attorneys even prosecuting them. There's Giuliani refusing to grant permits for various groups, from the left and right, that want to hold peaceful protests. There's the Giuliani policy to seize cars from people arrested on drunken driving charges, and the crackdowns on panhandling and jaywalking.

I particularly love this headline: "Mayor defends growth of video surveillance." In the article, Giuliani calls for putting surveillance cameras throughout the city to enable police to monitor the behavior of New Yorkers. Then there's this one: "Trying to get mayor to shed veil of secrecy." We learn that Giuliani refused to provide even routine documents to the public, forcing people to file Freedom of Information Act requests to get information they are legally entitled to receive.

The New York Daily News had to sue the city to get public documents about misbehaving government officials. In other news, we learned about the mayor's adamant defense of police officers who, for instance, shot to death an unarmed African immigrant. Meanwhile, Giuliani staunchly supported the city's draconian gun-control laws that kept average citizens defenseless.

As a federal prosecutor, Giuliani staged highly publicized arrests, hauling off the accused from their Wall Street offices in handcuffs to humiliate them and elevate him. After 9/11, he tried to secure an emergency extension of his term, but was rebuked by the New York Legislature. His efforts to bridge the gap with the religious right might focus on his views on gay marriage and his highly publicized bitter divorce, but the consistent strands throughout his public life revolve around his arrogance and lust for power.

Unfortunately, there are no big-name Republican presidential choices that come from the freedom side of the party. Arizona Sen. John McCain is an ardent war supporter with a short-fuse temperament that has caused me to term him "most likely to blow up the world." McCain also has pushed an expansion of a "national service program," another Teddy Roosevelt-type idea that excites the Big Brother wing. He veers left on many environmental and economic issues, and is co-author of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law, which clamps down on political speech during political campaigns. That assault on the First Amendment alone should disqualify McCain from being president, given that the president is sworn to uphold rather than destroy the U.S. Constitution.

The final GOP choice, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, has so far talked mainly in vague generalities about America's greatness and has stuck by traditional conservative themes on tax-cutting and defense. But he signed into law a "universal" health-care plan in his state, of the sort that would make Hillary Clinton proud.

Fortunately, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas will represent the nearly vanquished libertarian wing of the party if he decides to run for president. He won't get much attention, but someone has to remind the Republican grass roots that Republicans once were the party of limited government.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: americarunsonduncan; duncanhunter; hunter
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1 posted on 02/22/2007 7:39:43 AM PST by meg88
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To: meg88

Each of the candidates is conservative on some things and each is liberal on some things. It's going to be a major compromise with any of the GOP field. Conservatives hvae to deciede what our priorities are and how far we can bend our principles without breaking them.


2 posted on 02/22/2007 7:42:07 AM PST by TBP
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To: meg88

Sorry Newt, THE principled conservative is already rising, and it ain't you.


3 posted on 02/22/2007 7:42:29 AM PST by pissant
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To: meg88

I heard Duncan Hunter on Fox this morning. The more I see and hear about him, the more I like.


4 posted on 02/22/2007 7:42:51 AM PST by YellowRoseofTx
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To: meg88

"The final GOP choice, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney"


Hunter, Tancredo?


Final my butt.


5 posted on 02/22/2007 7:43:25 AM PST by Grunthor (You must go through the valley to stand upon the mountain.)
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To: meg88

The Republican Party has officially become the RINO Party. Any pretense of Conservatism is all dog and pony show at this point.


6 posted on 02/22/2007 7:43:42 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: meg88
Principled Conservatives Might Not Have a Horse in Presidential Race

"Principled conservatives" comprise a tiny sliver of the electorate in these times, so how is this a surprise?

7 posted on 02/22/2007 7:44:35 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: pissant

I think Newt could be running for a veep slot by Laobr Day at this rate.


8 posted on 02/22/2007 7:45:11 AM PST by meg88 (Rudy/Newt 2008!)
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To: pissant

Newt is the proverbial albatross around the neck.


9 posted on 02/22/2007 7:46:15 AM PST by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: meg88

How many wives can a politician throw overboard and still remain a "principled conservative"?


10 posted on 02/22/2007 7:46:53 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: conservativecorner

Not true. Support the Reaganite in the race. Hunter.


11 posted on 02/22/2007 7:46:58 AM PST by pissant
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To: meg88

I'm not sure waht he's running for, but I doubt anyone will offer him the VP slot.


12 posted on 02/22/2007 7:47:40 AM PST by pissant
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To: meg88
Right....The media would *so* like us to think so...

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13 posted on 02/22/2007 7:48:02 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: x_plus_one

He should be the head of the RNC. That's where he would be most valuable.


14 posted on 02/22/2007 7:48:13 AM PST by pissant
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To: meg88

Reagan also talked with distaste about the extreme right. I wish I'd saved his comments; they were just re-posted the other day.


15 posted on 02/22/2007 7:48:33 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: meg88
"Principled conservatives" don't understand that the real key to getting the things they want is to get conservatives on the Supreme Court.

That won't happen with Democrats in power.

Hold your nose now and vote for the deficient Republican or let the Democrats win and hold your nose forever.

16 posted on 02/22/2007 7:48:56 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

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17 posted on 02/22/2007 7:51:00 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: meg88

Regarding Romney's health care plan, I think Newt is a fan of it. The author seems to forget the Newt/Hillary health care love-in about a year ago.


18 posted on 02/22/2007 7:51:16 AM PST by magellan
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To: pissant
If we field a real Conservative, I will support that person 110%! If we go the Bob Dole route with a Rudy or McCain, I won't lift a finger, and I hope they get creamed. The RINO Party has taken over the Republican Party. Let them get ass whipped a couple more times, and they will come crawling back begging forgiveness while I personally and symbolically flip them a bird!
19 posted on 02/22/2007 7:53:23 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I'm quite proud to be among the principled conservatives considering the alternative.


20 posted on 02/22/2007 7:53:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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