Rudy Giuliani: [to SC Firefighters & Police] 'A Woman Has the Right to Choose Abortion'

Associated Press/Newsmax.com ^ | 2.22.07 | staff report

[linda_22003]

That should have been a response to 230, not 231.

[George W. Bush]

Consider: "If Rudy wants to see it ended" then it is not a right, now, is it? That is, unless he believes in ending "rights."

Dang, man, you're on fire today. Yes, by trying to confuse the voters about how leftwing he really is, Rudy is managing even to confuse himself on the matter.

[HairOfTheDog]

Life is a RIGHT granted by our Creator. No government can take that away. Secondly, The US CONSTITUTION specifically forbids depriving one of LIFE.

To be realistic... government can and does take away life, and permit the taking of life, all the time. In war, in death penalty cases, in laws that permit people to defend themselves and their property. The right to life is not absolute, obviously. There are lots of situations where value judgments about the value of one life over another are made.

When the constitution was written there were living breathing speaking people in this country that were not acknowledged to have any right to life or liberty. Obviously the framers did not feel it was absolute either. Slaves were not considered to be human beings or citizens covered under the constitution, so I don't think we can argue the framers were intending to cover a fertilized egg or immature growing fetus in the womb.

Feel free to argue we should put into law what was not made clear in the original constitution, but I don't think the constitution covers abortion as it is now. That's why we have all the debate, and the law as it is now.

[ichabod1]

Proabortion ain't a majority any more, pal.

[icwhatudo]

Well, since he just said this I guess the bots can't yell "old article" again.

[NRA2BFree]

I wonder where the Rudybots are now? LOL

[George W. Bush]

if the health authorities do a routine D&C as a standard part of rape treatment, both to prevent disease and preventing a fertilized egg from attaching, I don't have a big problem with it.

But they don't do that as a 'rape treatment'. Generally, pro-lifers consider a D&C procedure legitimate only for saving the life of the woman in the event of a tragic tubal pregnancy. But no one calls that an abortion.

[ichabod1]

Because pregnancy is temporary, abortion is permanent.

[xzins]

Congress has never passed a law saying it is ok for a woman to have an abortion.

[ichabod1]

but since there are objective differences between that human being and a born human being (even if one considers the fetus a human being), there will always be a debate about it.

Nooo... you simply have to ask yourself two questions. Is it life? If so, is it human? Pwn3d.

[Antoninus]

I wonder where the Rudybots are now? LOL

Off trumpetting the latest meaningless polls, no doubt.

[linda_22003]

Dilation and Curettage is specifically a scraping of the lining of the uterus. In what way would that have ANY effect on a pregnancy in the fallopian tube, which is not within the uterus?

[LtdGovt]

You lost me. What laws are those?

That was not quite as I intended it to be. Let me rephrase that: forcing states to outlaw abortion.

[jongaltsr]

Single women have the right to live in poverty the rest of their lives also which is usually what happens.

Married women have the same right and their husbands have the right to say no. In cases where men are denied that right they retain the right of divorce. Result is not that good regardless but they do have their rights.

[LtdGovt]

Proabortion ain't a majority any more, pal.

It never was. Pro-choice, on the other hand...

[LtdGovt]

Did you not say, some time ago, that most pro-lifers think that abortion in cases of rape should be allowed? Then why would something that prevents implantation not be allowed in cases of rape?

[NewJerseyJoe]

> It's hard to believe that Giuliani would run a pro-choice platform and then nominate constructionists to the Supreme Court. If he thinks there's a right to abortion hidden somewhere in the Constitution, he's not a constructionist, plain and simple.

THANK YOU. I was trying to make this same point to someone on another thread, but you said it much more plainly and clearer than I did. If Giuliani is going to play either (A) ignorant or (B) fast-and-loose with his "interpretation" of the Constitution, then he would be a dangerous disaster as a president. It means he would violate the presidential oath (preserve/protect/defend the Constitution), and it also means he'd be completely unreliable, because one would never know what direction his "interpretations" would lean in....

For someone who was a former federal prosecutor to not understand the basics about our Constitution makes him either stupid or a liar. NOT SOMEONE TO VOTE FOR!

[xzins]

If he's not confused, then he does believe in ending rights.

Could that explain his 2d amendment stance?

What could be his criteria for ending a right?

(a) political expedience (b) polling of ignorant respondents (c) his likes and dislikes

And one other thing: his claim to fame is "mayor." Mayor???

At least governors have had to deal with legislatures.

[HairOfTheDog]

The problem seems to be that I actually have concern for those who are already born. You, and others, have asked me why the child should be punished for the rapists' crimes. I ask: why should the woman be punished? A woman should not have to suffer because she has been raped. The experience itself is traumatic enough, putting a gun against her head just increases the trauma.

I'm with those who believe that IF we are to declare abortion is murder... then it's murder in cases of rape too. The fetus is no less human.

I actually think women are more complex than you give us credit for. Rape is trauma, but it's not the only trauma, and any lingering nightmares of the experience will not be made worse because of pregnancy, nor flushed away because of an abortion. Not to be glib, but many women love and care for children every day in this country who were fathered by men (ex husbands, ex boyfriends, etc) they now hate. People are not one dimensional nor unable to separate a child from the event that caused the child.

[don-o]

forcing states to outlaw abortion.

Get real. That is not even on the radar.