Posted on 02/22/2007 7:27:03 AM PST by meg88
hursday, Feb. 22, 2007 8:13 a.m. EST
Rudy Giuliani: 'A Woman Has the Right to Choose' Abortion
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Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani met with firefighters and police officers in this early voting state Wednesday, using the forum to reference the Sept. 11 terror attacks, which earned him national attention.
"The first people that arrive on the scene of the bombing or the anthrax attack ... it's going to be one of your brothers or your sisters or you that gets to do it," the former New York mayor told a crowd of about 200 emergency workers. "Your ability to do it well will once again determine if we save lives - save America."
Giuliani compared firefighters and police to uniformed military personnel and said the federal Department of Homeland Security needs to ensure first responders "have the training and protection you need to defend your country."
Giuliani has a tough road ahead in South Carolina, which is to host the first Southern primaries in 2008. His moderate positions on gun control and support for abortion rights do not sit well with the state's Christian conservatives, who accounted for a third of the 2000 GOP primary vote. Those voters swung heavily to President Bush that year, giving him a 2-1 ratio margin over Arizona Sen. John McCain, who was viewed as soft on abortion.
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On Wednesday, Giuliani reiterated his own position.
"I'd advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion," Giuliani said. "I'd like to see it ended, but ultimately I believe that a woman has the right to choose.
"I believe that you've got to run based on who you are, what you really are and then people actually get a right to disagree with you," he said. "And I find if you do it that way, even people who disagree with you sometimes respect you."
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"We're a tremendous amount of time away from an election," he said. "We haven't even gotten to a primary yet. The best thing we can do now is organize."
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Before or after pregnancy?
when talking about rights of individuals, slavery is much, much worse than abortion IMO. a slave is aware of the injustice to him and living out the injustice, an aborted child wasn't ever aware of their injustice.
now, if talking about societal evil, then yes, abortion could be considered on par with slavery, but it certainly isn't relative to the individual involved.
Why can't you recognize that in the United States our law allows for a woman to choose to abort her baby? Rudy said he is against it, but also acknowledges the law allowing it, when he says he believes "a woman has the right to choose". That is sad but true.
He has said he would "Like to see it ended". So really, the question to ask him is, "do you consider it settled law?". The answer to that would be interesting.
Giuliani should have run against her for the Senate because he CANNOT win in a national election. New York State is so liberal that his position on abortion does not matter there. It does out here in the "other" America.
If any pro-abort candidate wins the Republican nomination, which I think unlikely, he will still not win the general election. I can get on board behind a candidate who doesn't agree with me on many issues, but not that one, and there are many others who feel the same way. We'll vote third-party or stay home (I'd take the first option myself).
exactly...and God sorts out the good and the bad people.
now could we just have all our liberty back?
If you want our vote you'd better find us somebody we can vote for instead of trying to shove warmed over liberalism and culture-of-death down our throats.
At this point, you're perfectly free to get a social-conservative candidate the nomination through the primary process. People seem to be more focused on the "threat" of Rudy than doing that, though.
This falls under that grand Supreme Court legal doctrine of "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."
We? Who the heck is we? I'm supposed to find you somebody? Get out there and find your own hero.
You're right. Sorry.
Nevertheless, the right to life is primary. Without life, all other 'rights' are non-existent.
So the fact remains, laws which legalize the taking of innocent human life are violations of the rights on which this country was founded. Therefore, a strict constructionist would be in favor of outlawing abortion.
Dear LtdGovt,
"3. You end up supporting my point, that Hunter's requirement - for the justices to affirm the humanity of fetuses - would ultimately lead to judicial activism, namely, the overturning of liberal abortion laws. "
No, I don't.
It certainly must lead to overturning Roe.
It could possibly lead to more than that.
However, under your interpretation of the Constitution, it could not. Even admitting the humanity of unborn children, you believe does not permit the Court construing the Constitution to ban abortion, as a judicial fiat.
So you are assuming that Mr. Hunter's justices will go further than you do based on the same evidence.
It's an assumption on your part that isn't logically required. And when you make like it is logically required, then you're typing out of both sides of your keyboard.
"I think you really weaken your own case against judicial activism, when it you reveal that you only actually suppport activism when you agree with the result."
I never said:
- what my own interpretation of the Constitution might be vis-a-vis whether or not the fact of the humanity of unborn children requires banning abortion;
- whether I think that such a judicial act would be a good idea.
Rather, I said that I think that the case could be made for such a judicial ruling. It is certainly easier to make the case that an appropriate interpretation of the Constitution would BAN abortion rather than BAN laws restricting abortion.
However, if I do believe that the Constitution is best construed to require legal protection of unborn children, then obviously, it wouldn't be judicial activism, in my view, for the Court to rule in such a way. It would be strict constructionism.
Which is kind of the point with Mr. Giuliani. He believes that there is a right to abortion. A constitutional right for a woman to procure the killing of her unborn child. He believes that the Constitution is rightly construed in affirming such a "right."
Thus, for him, "strict constructionism" could easily include upholding Roe.
sitetest
Only on this thread. At the moment, I'm planning to support Hunter. I'm waiting to see how he responds to his "macaca moment" - you know there'll be one! - before I commit any time or money.
Laws decide what is best for society. American seems to be suffering a bit of multiple personality disorder in this area. Murder is against the law - unless the one being murdered is an innocent, unborn child. Then murder is termed 'choice.'
Are you in favor of people having the choice to murder? If not, then you would seem to be suffering from MPD.
I guess since babies don't vote, their lives are expendable. One crime against humanity is expunged by another. Okeydoke.
Could well be! It will be interesting to see how the primaries play out, and who we'll even get a chance to vote for, depending on where we live.
Dear George W. Bush,
I seldom use words like that on Free Republic.
However, sometimes, you gotta tell the truth about things.
I stand by my post.
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