Poll Shows Giuliani Love Across the Country (Rudy Beats All Dem Candidates by at Least 5%)

Gothamist.com ^ | 2.22.07 | Mary Ann Chastain

[Kevmo]

Rudy splits the base according to the two latest polls on FR.


Looks like our true blue conservative did pretty well in our prior poll. Let's now see what happens if we nominate a social liberal who's okay with abortion, gay unions and gay rights is a gun grabber and is weak on illegal immigration. Who do you vote for in the general?

The social liberal with the big "R"
32.7%


Third party
28.2%


Undecided/praying
26.0%


Stay home
10.1%


Hillary, et al
2.9%


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1782311/posts

The New FR Poll
February 09, 2007 | Processing Please Hold


Posted on 02/09/2007 5:18:36 PM PST by processing please hold


Any guesses on who 'The Patriot with the big "R" behind his name is?

[My GOP]

No, but he'll will carry all the red states and most of the battleground states and would probably turned NJ(where he does lead Hillary) into a battleground state. Giuliani will crush Hillary.

[My GOP]

"Rudy splits the base according to the two latest polls on FR."

Its an FR poll which I hate to tell you is hardly a scientific poll. Many on FR are more to the right and more ideological than most of your typical Republicans. Shows how much you know. Of course we can't all be recent graduates of Wake Forest University with degrees in Political Science either.

[SoCalPol]

In your dreams

[My GOP]

That's right, every single poll thats came out over the last year is wrong/s

[Kevmo]

Pragmatic and realistic conservatives and Republicans know Rudy is so much better than Hillary.
***Pragmatic and realistic conservatives know that a socon wouldn't split the base.


Sure the right wing nut fringe might stay home or vote otherwise but Rudy will capture 5 times as many independents and moderate Democrats than he will lose with the right fringe.
***What is it that compels Rudophiles to come onto a socon site and call us right wing nut fringe voters? If that's who we are, why bother trying to persuade us to vote for him? The answer is simple: because we are NOT fringe voters, we are the base. (Sorry, can't pass up a chance at humor here -- all your base belong to us). If we were the lunatic fringe, Rudy's followers would just ignore us.

No other Republican can do that.
***Duncan Hunter is solid on two areas that cut deeply across party lines and appeal to mainstream voters. One is immigration, where middle america is fed up. The other is fair trade, again where middle america is fed up. He's very strong on the kinds of issues that the average american admires.

Delphinium has a great example of how these kinds of polls and MSM trashing of socon candidates mean absolutely nothing when the time comes to push the lever. If anything, the negative media attention serves our purposes better when we have a good socon candidate. The media would turn on Rudy so fast it would make a galaxy spin.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787224/posts?page=464#305

Bill Sali won and he was very unashamedly pro-life, less government, less spending, no on taxes, free interprise , no homosexual marriage etc.. and support for the Iraq war securing our borders...all of Jims suggestions.

The media trashed him, the Rinos trashed him even in the general, The polls that the media reported had him so low it looked impossible.

He won big! They were reporting total lying polls to affect the election.

305 posted on 02/19/2007 8:48:35 PM PST by Delphinium
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[Kevmo]

Prop 187 won by a wide margin here in Caleeforneeya. The media was deadset against it from day one. They also did everything they could to prevent the recall of GuvGrey. I think California is in play.

[Diggity]

A real conservative can't get elected now because America has become a socialist country.

The people who elected Reagan are dead now and have been replaced by the greedy, lazy babyboomers who only care about "looking good" "feeling good".

It's only going to worst as the government controls more and more of the economy. Only a Federal bankruptcy and change it and that is 30 years away.

John

[My GOP]

He won't split the base, period! I didn't call you a fringe voter. I said any Republican that didn't vote for Rudy in a Rudy vs. Hillary matchup is a fringe voter, at least in my opinion. I don't know what you would do in that situation. I've never heard you say. I do know many anti-Rudy people on here have said they would vote for Rudy if he wins the nomination to keep Hillary out. I question how much you understand about politics if you think a FR poll is scientific.

[Kevmo]

I guess it shows how much I know. Rudy's candidacy is doomed because it splits the base, and that is definitely something that the FR poll shows. I'm not interested in supporting Rudy because I disagree with him on social issues and I have good reason to believe that his candidacy would harm the republican party by splitting it.

[My GOP]

"I think California is in play."

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!! After you tried to pass off a FR poll as scientific I shouldn't be surprised by this statement.

[Kevmo]

He won't split the base, period!
***The FR poll is a poll of the socon base.

I didn't call you a fringe voter.
***No, you call the 2/3 of freepers who said they wouldn't vote for a Solib to be fringe. That's most freepers. Again we go to the why-bother question, which has an answer in that we are not the fringe. You want to know where Rudy is over-the-top on the fringe? In his support for partial birth abortion. Typical polls nationwide show 90% or better approvals for PBA bans, but Rudy is on record against the ban. That's a fringe candidate. He's doomed. Even Hillary can run to the right against him on some issues.

I said any Republican that didn't vote for Rudy in a Rudy vs. Hillary matchup is a fringe voter, at least in my opinion.
***And in my opinion, most rudophiles are certainly not socons, but are RINOs for the most part.

I don't know what you would do in that situation. I've never heard you say.
***That's because it is false dilemma reasoning. It's an invalid question to ask at this stage.



I do know many anti-Rudy people on here have said they would vote for Rudy if he wins the nomination to keep Hillary out. I question how much you understand about politics if you think a FR poll is scientific.
***Where did I say the FR poll was scientific? How about all the scientific polls that had Bill Sali losing by such a wide margin?

[Kevmo]

I'm glad you got a laugh out of it. When did I try to pass off a poll as scientific? It's a poll of FR. It represents what's going on in FR. FR is a good indication of the socon base. The base is split when it looks at Rudy, and as the word gets out that there is a socon candidate worth supporting in Duncan Hunter, the base is not interested in Rudy.

[My GOP]

"In his support for partial birth abortion."

He is against partial birth abortions, contrary to the misinformation some on here are posting. On Hannity Rudy said “Partial-birth abortion, I think that's going to be upheld(by the USSC). I think that ban is going to be upheld. I think it should be.” And as soon as Rudy got finished saying this, Hannity acknowledged, “There's a misconception that you supported partial-birth abortion”. So there we have, Rudy is against partial birth abortions.

He's for strict constructionist judges. Ted Olsen said that Rudy has been for strict constructionist since their time together in the Reagan Justice Department in the 1980s. Ted Olsen has no reason to lie.

You know Rudy is conservative on most non-social issues. An FR is poll is not scientific and can in no way tell you anything about what the American electorate is feeling. There is not point in even using it at all because it proves NOTHING!! It indicates nothing. Anyways, you have your view, I have mine, lets just leave it at that. We'll find out what happens soon enough anyways.

[Spiff]

He is against partial birth abortions, contrary to the misinformation some on here are posting.

WRONG!

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

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TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

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BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

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MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

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***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion

[XR7]

RINO RUDY

LOL!!!

[My GOP]

Apparently he changed his mind because my quote is 7 years more recent. Also, I don't think Sean Hannity is going to lie about Rudy's position either.

[Spiff]

Apparently he changed his mind because my quote is 7 years more recent. Also, I don't think Sean Hannity is going to lie about Rudy's position either.

It is obvious to those who can tell a con when they see one. Rudy is running for the GOP nomination. But to get that, he's got to fool the maximum number of relatively conservative GOP voters into voting for him. He will say and do anything to do that. He's suddenly turned against everything he's ever stood for - well, except for 9/11, he would never turn against that since that has been his bread and butter since it happened. He's out there saying that he stands for the opposite of everything he's ever said on social issues or done as Mayor of NYC. And you're gullible enough to believe him, apparently. Are you often the victim of con men?

Speaking of con men, this whole thing with all three frontrunners being liberals or nutcases all pretending to be conservative all of the sudden reminds of a con man's favorite game - three-card monte. He points at the cards and says that one of them is a conservative, then he mixes them up, and no matter which card you pick, you never get the conservative. That because ALL of the cards represent the liberals.

As for Sean 'the book salesman" Hannity - he's been carrying Giuliani's water for a while. The interview was embarassing as Sean covered for Rudy like a pro.

[My GOP]

Yeah, I know, people never change their minds /s Look at Reagan, he was never an FDR Democrat /s

[Spiff]

Yeah, I know, people never change their minds /s Look at Reagan, he was never an FDR Democrat /s

Please stop trying to compare these liberal nancy boys with Ronald Reagan. History shows that Reagan's conversion was genuine and happened over a period of years. For Giuliani and Romney, their conversion is entirely disingenuous and opportunistic. There's no comparison. Dragging the Reagan's legacy through the muck in order to make your favorite liberals look better is just plain wrong.