Posted on 02/21/2007 2:44:52 PM PST by don-o
Rudy Giuliani now comes in a new package. Social conservatives still aren’t buying it.
“It’s a sleight of hand,” said Bob Barr, a former Georgia Congressman and champion of small government. “On issues that I consider extremely important to conservatives, such as respect for the Second Amendment, he is nowhere near even remotely in the ballpark of a conservative philosophy.”
The famously resolute, plain-spoken and uncompromising former Mayor has unveiled new shades of nuance to go along with his historically liberal positions on abortion, gun control and gay marriage, which pose the major obstacles to his pursuit of the Republican nomination for President in 2008.
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"My own belief is that the country, shorn of the straitjacket of Roe, will move in a pro-life direction."
Mine is that most kids are of the political persuasion of their parents, and that 75% of abortions are of Democrats.
So, if you outlaw abortion for a time, I think you will end up with a lot more Democrats on welfare, and they'll vote to bring abortion back.
I think the courts have to impose a due process rule against abortion by fiat, and that it will require pro-life judicial activism to do it, the inverse of Roe.
And I think strict constructionists are the wrong vehicle for this.
I don't think God's on the side of America in any of this, but rather, that He's on the side of Latin America.
Then true Conservatives won't vote for Rudy; he's definitely a democrat.
If you would vote for Rudy, then you would vote for Hilary if she put an (R) next to her name.
Why are these the choices?
Because in order to be a candidate, you have to step forward and run.
These are the only guys who have.
Hell, Greg was the establishment candidate. Every single elected Republican supported Ganske in that primary.
"If they want my party, they will have to steal it, by force"
That is tag-line material!
I agree and I'm as armed as any good ole boy."
You are parsing like a clinton.
Gun rights are a litmus test for all other inalienable rights.
you are just following the Rudy-bots' efforts to parse away the God, Guns, and "gays" issue from the conservative by saying those are just social conservatives.
Sorry but you can't pars it out. You can not seperate these issues as if the USA is one big NYC.
LOL. I was just thinking that when I went to the kitchen to flip the burgers. He'd be a good democrat to run against Hillary. He'd easily get the left wing vote.
He could beat Hillary - but only as a democrat.
"Most of them could fit right in, at democrat underground!"
No doubt some of them DO fit in there!
Hillary does not believe in locking up criminals. Hillary does not believe criminals are responsible for their behavior. Hillary does not believe in American national sovereignty and respects the UN. Hillary believes in increasing welfare, and that it is a right.
Must I go on?
Yeah. The party gave him all the money, and Salier still got almost 45% of the vote.
Another RINO congressman for the socialist warrior Harkin's grist mill. They'll never get rid of that communist until they put up a conservative warrior to provide some contrast. You'd think after three decades they'd learn.
BTTT
Wow. There's a new one: Vote for leftwing Rudy, or we'll have Sharia law.
Dear Vicomte13,
"So, if you outlaw abortion for a time, I think you will end up with a lot more Democrats on welfare, and they'll vote to bring abortion back."
I think that if states are permitted, through the democratic process, to regulate and restrict abortion, it is possible that the law will once again help to nurture a culture of life, rather than the culture of death.
I believe that the culture of life is inherently attractive, especially to a nation founded on Judeo-Christian morality.
However, I'm not sure that an "anti-Roe" banning all abortions would be readily accepted. At least not today. Or tomorrow. Or next week.
I think it would receive more derision than Roe, and cause just as much division, as well as dissent and rebellion.
However, if Roe were overturned, and states mostly drifted back to banning most abortions, I think that a judicial decision banning the last three or four percent of abortions would be accepted by folks almost as the logical outcome of the process.
"I don't think God's on the side of America in any of this, but rather, that He's on the side of Latin America."
I'm not sure that God's on anyone's side. I think the more important question is whether we're seeking to be on His side.
sitetest
Yeah, the whole New York left just loved Rudy...
"You are parsing like a clinton.
Gun rights are a litmus test for all other inalienable rights.
you are just following the Rudy-bots' efforts to parse away the God, Guns, and "gays" issue from the conservative by saying those are just social conservatives.
Sorry but you can't pars it out. You can not seperate these issues as if the USA is one big NYC."
What in sam hill are you talking about?
I am an absolutist about abortion.
I am asking myself whether it's worse to vote for a pro-abortion Republican or letting Hillary win.
And I am still in the position of saying that I will not vote for a pro-abortion Republican, period.
There's no parsing in that.
As to gun rights, I think the 2nd Amendment clearly allows the states to regulate guns. It's right there in the first three words of the amendment.
So, I'm not going to vote or not vote for a candidate based on his gun stance.
I have always voted or not voted for Republicans based on their abortion stance.
This time, only McCain is clean, except on stem cells.
So, do I let him fund killing those babies?
Or do I wash my hands of the party if those are the nominees and vote for some obscure 3rd party candidate, or not bother to vote pointlessly at all and do something else election day?
That ain't parsing anything.
MY issue is important to ME.
YOUR issue is not MY issue.
In fact, I'm 180 out on it (although, if I were King I would let everyone carry sidearms for self-defense, because the police don't do the job). I think the 2nd Amendment is clear.
That's all.
Both Hillary Clinton and Giuliani already have gone to some lengths to court support from gay voters, and Hillary Clinton's advisers said they were concerned that the mayor might do well among a group of voters that has historically been viewed as a reliable part of the Democratic base.
At the fund-raiser, Hillary Clinton also voiced support for domestic partnership measures that would allow gay partners to receive the same benefits as married couples.
On this, her position is similar to the one taken by Giuliani, who supported a domestic partnership law in 1997. The mayor frequently remarks that he signed the city's first domestic partnership legislation.
"I wonder if anyone has ever asked Giuliani what is the source of an American's rights?"
As long as we are armed, we will never have sharia law. And, Rudy Giuliani is an enemy of the Second Amendment.
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