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Can a Traditional American Conservative Win the Presidency and Secure the Nation and our Liberty?
Vanity Opinion | Feb 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 02/21/2007 6:15:41 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson
Yes he can. But first, he must fight his way through the RINOs to prove his worth:


61 posted on 02/21/2007 6:43:53 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: oldbrowser
****"Illegal alien" is a hot button phrase and it's a loser for the conservatives, look at the last election. It sounds like racism to many people.****

That's an OBL canard and utterly false: The Great Illegal Immigration Myth of '06

Don't fall for the traitors spin.

62 posted on 02/21/2007 6:45:21 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a 'Right Wing Extremist'.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bookmarking this thread...


63 posted on 02/21/2007 6:45:35 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Jim Robinson
Another thing I would add, in regards to the 40/20/40 split of the electorate, is that those numbers are percentages of citizens who actually vote.

There is likely some number (I don't pretend to know what it is) of conservative-minded voters who have given up on either party. What conservatives need to do is not target the 20% of wishy-washy moderates, but target the conservative portion of non-voting citizens. Don't fight over that last sliver of pie - grow the pie in our favor so our piece is the biggest!

The libs have been doing this for years (homeless, mentally ill (beyond their base's mental deficiency), felons, the dead, multiple voting), and they've still only managed to equal our block of voters. We should use legal tactics, but there's conservative votes to be mined that don't require moving leftward.
64 posted on 02/21/2007 6:45:47 AM PST by CertainInalienableRights
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To: af_vet_rr

His name is Duncan Hunter. And he will rise to challenge the man who Sean Hannity has been fawning over.


65 posted on 02/21/2007 6:46:02 AM PST by pissant
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To: Hydroshock
I am long done voting for Rinos.

Me too. My new motto when entering the voting booth is: "I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party."
66 posted on 02/21/2007 6:46:57 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: yldstrk
Is there one running? Who is this person?

See tagline...
67 posted on 02/21/2007 6:47:21 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Jim Robinson
And, naturally, the Republicans are going to run on the "Fight on to Victory and Secure the Nation" platform. All of the Republican front runners are convinced that they can win on this issue.

This is a good point, but one other aspect of it should be highlighted.

The 2008 Republican candidates are going to be running as strongly against George W. Bush as they are running against their Democratic opponents. With the war in Iraq so unpopular among American voters, the 2008 presidential race is going to be contested between Democrats who run on an anti-war platform and Republicans who insist that the Bush administration has been incompetent in fighting the Iraq war.

McCain's recent diatribe against Donald Rumsfeld was the first clear indication of this, and I suspect this is precisely why Rudy Giuliani can barely even acknowledge that he's a Republican candidate.

68 posted on 02/21/2007 6:47:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Jim Robinson; hedgetrimmer; Czar; Smartass; calcowgirl

It is never too late.

Four years ago, everone on this site was afraid to talk about illegal aliens for fear of losing the election. We won the election but lost at the same time. Yea, Karl Rove,you magnificent bastard as illegal immigration was not to be discussed. Bank of America loves you.

To go backwards to conservatism, all ideas must allowed on this forum, such as the NAU and SPP articles no matter the authur. They should not be put in chat as these are articles regarding sovereignty and conservatism.



69 posted on 02/21/2007 6:48:31 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: frogjerk

Too far away from the primary to get a good read, but I am leaning toward Romney as the most conservative electable candidate. McCain is too old and too angry, Rudy is too liberal on many issues (although I like his stand on the WOT), the various Congressmen do not have enough support to be electable, and Newt has worse negatives than Hillary. That being said, I would support almost any Republican over almost any Democrat running.


70 posted on 02/21/2007 6:49:09 AM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: Harpo Speaks
There are no conservative leaders, and there haven't been for many years. I think this explains Rudy's popularity at the moment. He's may not be a conservative, but he's leader, and that's what people want.

Oh please. I'm not a sheep. I don't need a "leader." I need a politician who will stand up for what I believe in. Rudy is not that guy and never will be.

To me, Duncan Hunter is the best of the lot--the most solid conservative running--and I'm willing to give him a shot.
71 posted on 02/21/2007 6:49:14 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Straight talk, no BS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28q0qxsrX6E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow1L4MsmUGM


72 posted on 02/21/2007 6:49:22 AM PST by pissant
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To: Jim Robinson
We believe we were all created equal by our Creator and are endowed with certain unalienable rights, including the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, and we intend to defend same.

You keep ignoring the fact that you only want to include your rights and if you haven't noticed that the country is sick and tired of the religious right then you need to get out more.

We believe it is the primary responsibility of the just government empowered by our consent to defend these rights. And that whenever government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Now you are sounding exactly like you did in 1998 when your anti-government mood was prevalent and you first supported Buchanan and then Keyes. That was okay when you had Clinton to kick around because even some Democrats like me were disgusted with him.

If you want to help the conservative Republicans regain some measure of credibility then you need to let the Republican Party thrash it out and you can return to your roots.

People have been suggesting that the religious right is not a winning combination when they lack the moral highground and surely you need to realize you are whistling in the graveyard. The Gingrich revolution is over. The paint came off the wagon.

Can a Traditional American Conservative Win the Presidency and Secure the Nation and our Liberty?

Not a chance in hell if the candidates have to accept your definitions and are perceived as anti-everyone except you.

Defense of our liberties is not restricted to the radical right or the looney left.

73 posted on 02/21/2007 6:51:43 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: yldstrk

That was my question.


74 posted on 02/21/2007 6:52:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I happen to agree with your opinion, but you've just opened a can of worms and dumped it into the spaghetti on the plate.

There is, at least one, actual conservative that seems to be running for the Presidency. However, I'm not sure that he's electable at this point in time.
He doesn't have the name recognition, yet, needed.

If that is the case, then, according to your own words, "We're not going to surrender to tax and spend liberal Democrats or to tax and spend moderate country club Republicans."

Who then ARE we going to elect, or try to elect? Or DO we then vote our conscience instead of being a "broken glass Republican"?

I tell you, Jim, I've held my nose about as long as I can without coming up for a breath of air.

With the DemoncRATs in power in the Congress we need a President that will not be shy with the veto pen.
I don't know of any major party candidate that has that kind of brass that seems to be electable at this point.

75 posted on 02/21/2007 6:53:28 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Jim Robinson

I do not believe the majority of Americans want freedom or liberty as much as they want the Government to tell them how to live, and how much wealth to have. They want security, and cheap landscaping. They want chrome rims and masterplanned communities. They want to end World Hunger, and adherence to the Kyoto Protocols. They want socialism. They do not want to take business risks and they want stability above all else.

In other words they are shunning the American way of life, traditions, morals, and values for pleasure, hedonism, drugs; and no judgement or societal influence should be permitted to get in the way of their pursuit of evil and misery.

Personally I think it's too late to change this attitude. Save your money, payoff debt, and have a lawyer clean up your record. A Charlemagne on a white horse would be nice though.


76 posted on 02/21/2007 6:53:58 AM PST by Domicile of Doom (Center amber dot on head and squeeze for best results)
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To: Jim Robinson
...although the Christian Right and some of the normally true blue right wing conservatives are growing mighty tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps.

Overall, your vanity lays it out nicely. I will NOT be voting for a RINO just to somehow demonstrate what a great team player I am. Speak to the issues of importance, or my vote stays home - period!

77 posted on 02/21/2007 6:54:19 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: MadIvan
So there is a short list of Rudy, Newt, Romney and McCain. Hunter does not have this national visibility; polls quoted on him put him behind Newt, even though he is not a declared candidate.

At this point, the polls are beyond meaningless. John Kerry was polling at 4% as late as December of 2003. Yet he won the Dem nomination.

Time is on Hunter's side. To write him off because of his poll numbers less than a month after he declared is silly.
78 posted on 02/21/2007 6:54:39 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim!

Who will help Duncan Hunter? Right now he is the best choice as a conservative. He needs the help of Conservative Freepers. I have signed up. I want to help him get in the face of these insane Liberal Republicans. Help him out !

Help Duncan Hunter!

79 posted on 02/21/2007 6:55:03 AM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: harrowup

Thoughtful post. You got brass.


80 posted on 02/21/2007 6:55:23 AM PST by zook
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