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Warplanes: Fighters Threatened by Cheap Robots
Strategy Page ^ | Feb 20, 2007

Posted on 02/20/2007 4:49:09 PM PST by John Jorsett

The U.S. Air Force is moving rapidly to increase its force of UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles). In three years, it expects to have fifteen Predator squadrons. During that period it is buying 170 MQ-1 Predators, and up to 70 MQ-9 Reapers (or Predator B). While the Predator was a reconnaissance aircraft that could carry weapons (two Hellfire missiles, each weighing a hundred pounds), the Reaper was designed as a combat aircraft (it can carry two 500 pound smart bombs) that also does reconnaissance. The Reaper can carry GPS or laser guided bombs, as well as the 250 pound SDB, or Hellfire missiles. The Predators cost about $4.5 million each, while the Reaper goes for about $8.5 million. The Reaper can only stay in the air for up to 24 hours, versus 40 hours for the Predator. But experience has shown that few missions require even 24 hours endurance. For that reason, the air force decided not to give the Reaper an inflight refueling capability. The Reaper also carries sensors equal to those found in targeting pods like the Sniper XL or Litening, and flies at the same 20,000 foot altitude of most fighters using those pods. This makes the Reaper immune to most ground fire, and capable of seeing, and attacking, anything down there. All at one tenth of the price of a manned fighter aircraft. The air force expects to stop buying the Predator in four years, and switch over to the Reaper, and new designs still in development. Meanwhile, these UAVs use better and better software, that enables one pilot to control three or more aircraft. The sensor software alerts a human operator if anything of interest is spotted. Thus, while there are still people on the ground controlling these UAVs, more and more, the aircraft are operating by themselves.

The U.S. Navy, as well as Britain and Australia are buying Predators, and several other countries are considering. While there are many other UAVs of the same weight class (similar to a single engine prop driven civilian aircraft), the Predator has a combat record that no one else can match. This counts for a lot.


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1 posted on 02/20/2007 4:49:10 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

fascinating. bump for later reading.


2 posted on 02/20/2007 4:50:24 PM PST by Kevmo (The first labor of Huntercles: Defeating the 3-headed RINO)
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To: John Jorsett

Whole new meaning for "death from above". Gotta love it.


3 posted on 02/20/2007 4:53:14 PM PST by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: John Jorsett

When will SkyNet become self-aware?


4 posted on 02/20/2007 4:55:59 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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Sounds great untill you are up against a technically advanced opponent. Equip the ECM on a fighter with a jammer capable of significantly downgrading the remote signal and the drone is/will be destroyed. Then where is the air force?
5 posted on 02/20/2007 4:56:44 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: John Jorsett

http://www.ga-asi.com/products/predator_b.php

6 posted on 02/20/2007 4:58:42 PM PST by M203M4
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To: John Jorsett
You can see a squad of these flying in ahead of F-22's over Taharan. "Shock & Awe".
7 posted on 02/20/2007 4:59:09 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Fraxinus
Sounds great untill you are up against a technically advanced opponent. Equip the ECM on a fighter with a jammer capable of significantly downgrading the remote signal and the drone is/will be destroyed. Then where is the air force?

If it were my design, it would be using spread spectrum and directed-beam techniques to defeat jamming attempts. I have to assume that the actual designers did something like that.

8 posted on 02/20/2007 4:59:44 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
"When will SkyNet become self-aware?"

This is the first thought I have every time I read or hear one of these stories. The new Battlestar Galactica is a very dark program as well. Sooner or later it's going to happen and the "I, Robot" rules aren't going to apply to the brave new world we are going to create.

9 posted on 02/20/2007 4:59:45 PM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: John Jorsett

Boeing X45.

Regards.

10 posted on 02/20/2007 5:03:09 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.)
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To: GBA

I keep telling anyone that will listen...

You want to make an invincible armed force? Put any robotic plane, combat machine, ship, tank, vehicle etc. in the hands of Xbox Live users that have mastered the training and competition on the equivilent video game.

Our couch warriors would be the most brutal, ruthless and skilled army of all time.


11 posted on 02/20/2007 5:05:10 PM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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it would be using spread spectrum and directed-beam techniques to defeat jamming attempts.

These will make building an effective jammer more difficult (larger? and more expensive), but not impossible. They are currently beyond the capabilities of those our military is most likely to be fighting. China would be another story, however, war with China is several years off, if that ever happens (hope and pray no war).

12 posted on 02/20/2007 5:07:11 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: Fraxinus

I suspect the Islamic War is the proving ground for systems that will be employed, probably sooner rather than later, in the wider World War that will involve Russia and China.Chinese and Russian systems will get their tests when the direct clash with Iran comes.


13 posted on 02/20/2007 5:13:49 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

It's coming: http://deoxy.org/meme/RobotArmy


14 posted on 02/20/2007 5:14:17 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of too many "R"s.)
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To: Fraxinus
These will make building an effective jammer more difficult (larger? and more expensive), but not impossible.

I worked on a program that used spread spectrum. We calculated that an effective jammer would require multi-megawatts of power to overwhelm our system. And if somebody had managed to come up with such a jammer, we'd have widened our band so that they'd have needed hundreds of megawatts. And that's assuming they could have detected us in the first place. Good SS signals hide among the noise. I'm not claiming that a capable adversary couldn't jam a UAV's signals, but I suspect it would be more reliable and cost-effective to send a fighter or missile up to destroy it.

15 posted on 02/20/2007 5:22:52 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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I'm waiting for the Dominators to come on line. I can't wait to fill the skies over a city with hundreds or even thousands of cheap, disposable hunter-killers.


16 posted on 02/20/2007 5:27:42 PM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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I was thinking more along the lines of ECM pod that would help to make the UAV a much easier target for manned aircraft. A ground based system would only render the craft unmanouverable while it was within it's zone of influence, once outside of the zone of influence if it can re-synch with control station, it can then return home unimpaired. I do know that the simplest autopilot systems can easily fly straight and level, in calm air.
17 posted on 02/20/2007 5:36:14 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

and will be easily corrupted if ruskies introduce them to a live woman


18 posted on 02/20/2007 5:49:18 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: ARE SOLE

Unfortunately the X-45A (pictured) and its successor (J-UCAS) have been scrapped by the USAF to provide funds for F-22 and other pet rocks.

The USAF is yet to reconcile itself to large UAVs


19 posted on 02/20/2007 6:45:05 PM PST by Starwolf
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Reaper.... that is a good name for such a angel of death. Happy hunting USA Reapers! I hope you speed many a bad guy on his quest of his dreamed of paradise.


20 posted on 02/20/2007 6:51:27 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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