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RINO Congressman Mark Kirk responds to why he opposed the troop surge
Rep. Mark Kirk's website ^ | Feb. 17, 2007 | Mark Steven Kirk

Posted on 02/18/2007 1:20:43 PM PST by BillyBoy

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To: BillyBoy
The long-term security of our country depends on the United States not being defeated in the Middle East.

At least, he understand this much.

But he admits he has no alternative plan for achieving that objective...so he just proposes to cut and run?

Congressman Mark Kirk must not be very bright...

21 posted on 02/18/2007 2:24:06 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: BillyBoy
O.K. run a social conservative in the Republican primary. If that person defeats Kirk in the primary, You just handed that seat to the Democrats. Kirk is a fiscal conservative, which is what the majority of the people in that district want. He may not be socially conservative enough for you, but he represents the views of the people of the 10th district.
22 posted on 02/18/2007 2:24:19 PM PST by erton1
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To: BillyBoy

I wrote my Senator (John Warner, Virginia) weeks ago and have not received a reply... Today I wrote him another email saying I was disgusted with his vote yesterday and didn't need to head any reply from him in the future. I don't feel that I have a Senator from Virginia representing my interests in anything in Washington. I'll look forward to voting against him when a respectable Republican challenges his candidacy in the next Senate primary.


23 posted on 02/18/2007 2:33:40 PM PST by ReleaseTheHounds (“The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.”)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Make that "hear" instead of "head".


24 posted on 02/18/2007 2:34:15 PM PST by ReleaseTheHounds (“The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.”)
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To: erton1
If you believe a majority of the people in the 10th district support partial birth abortion, then the northern suburbs are not only further left than the south suburbs, but they're further left than the vast majority of this nation. They're probably even further left than Chicago, since I doubt Mayor Daley coming out in favor of infantcide would do anything to increase his popularity.

The average "middle of the road" person, INCLUDING people who support keep Roe v. Wade, would not be caught dead supporting Kirk's viewpoint on abortion. His position is not "moderate", but extreme liberal. I would be shocked if you could find 25% of the people in the northern suburbs to give a thumbs up to Kirk's position of allowing 9th month pregnancy abortion during birth, let alone get 51% needed to constitute a majority. Kirk holds that position not because it makes him "electable", but because he is a slimey liberal.

There are plenty of elected officials in the 10th district who "won" without exposing Kirk's extremist beliefs. Perhaps you can explain how they manage to hold office.

The "Kirk is a fiscal conservative" is the oldest excuse in the book to defend RINOs. It was used to elect George Ryan, it was used to elect Arnold Schwartzenneger. As you can see from the first post, Kirk scored a 37% rating from Taxpayers for Common Sence. Like all other issues, Kirk is only "fiscally conservative" when the liberal media wants him to be. He has no quasms about wasting money on pork or supporting big government programs for his "suburban agenda". I guess you guys have to use the "fiscal conservative" line since the previous talking point about how Kirk "supports Bush on the WOT" will now be subject to ridicule.

I do not believe Kirk is likely to lose a primary election, due to the fact Kirk is so good at getting the GOP machines there to GOTV for them while he stabs his "base" in the back. More likely, the 10th district could be won by a conservative the same way the Conservative Party won in New York state. Kirk and his equally liberal Democrat opponent will agree on every single issue and split the moderate-to-liberal majority in that district, and a conservative could win by carrying the remaining 35% of the electorate. It's a long short, but it's certainly preferrable to having a guy to the left of our DEMOCRAT Congressmen Dan Lipinksi (IL-3) and Jerry Costello (IL-12).

That seat is already held by a Democrat. The only differnce between Kirk and Seals is that Seals was honest enough to admit it. Either way, you're going to get a reliable liberal Congressman, but Seals won't take GOP money and volunteers to vote that way.

25 posted on 02/18/2007 2:43:31 PM PST by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi -- we elected ROSKAM)
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To: BillyBoy

I SOOOO agree with you. I did my part to defeat this RINO arse last election. I voted for every single Republican except him. I was most vocal with our Committeemen about his terminal RINOism. They seemed shocked! Go figure. He also gets failing grades on his immigration votes.


26 posted on 02/18/2007 2:46:33 PM PST by battletank
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To: BillyBoy
Second, they backed the United Nations and its sponsorship of Iraq’s three national elections that approved a new constitution and government.

Not exactly how I remember it.

27 posted on 02/18/2007 2:51:42 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: okie01
The long-term security of our country depends on the United States not being defeated in the Middle East.

Just more infuriating hypocrisy. He says that and then does all he can to assure our defeat. Add to that:

Foreign troops – be they American, British or otherwise – are not well-suited to advance the elected government’s writ.

He,like the others, claims there is a civil war going on among Iraqis when he knows better. We are fighting the other foreign troops in Iraq, the jihadists who come from all over but especially from Iran and Syria, to reestablish a tyranny in Iraq and prevent democracy. It is good guy foreign troops against bad guy foreign troops in Iraq.

28 posted on 02/18/2007 2:53:01 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: tobyhill

Dear Rick,
I came to a conclusion too, you will never again get my vote.


29 posted on 02/18/2007 2:56:44 PM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: BillyBoy
I am opposed to partial birth abortion,as I believe that the majority of the voters are in the 10th district. The problem you have, is that for the vast majority of voters , they do not vote based on the sole issue of partial birth abortion. I believe the majority of voters in 2008 are going to vote based upon two issues, Iraq and their pocketbook. I doubt pba is going to rank in even the top 10. You seem to be hung up just one issue and need to look at the big picture. If a poll were taken, I believe that KIrk's positions closely reflect the voters of the 10th district on economic issues. BTW, please direct to the American Conservative Union ratings that show Kirk is more liberal than either Costello or Lipinski.
30 posted on 02/18/2007 2:58:39 PM PST by erton1
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To: gulfcoast6

Er, KIRK, you know who I am refering to.


31 posted on 02/18/2007 2:59:04 PM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: BillyBoy
To prevent a collapse of democracy, tolerance and our supporters in that region, we should implement a new plan that relies on America’s key strengths, building support among all our citizens and allies.

Oh yeah. We've done real good in that area. And voting against our troops is always a big help. /sarcasm

Can somebody explain to me why it was so important to vote for this RINO, instead of a Conservative third party? Sure, it may have helped keep a democrat out of office, but is a Republican vote against our troops really that much better than a democrat vote against our troops?

32 posted on 02/18/2007 3:01:48 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: BillyBoy
Sadly, I also believe that Kirk's vote on the resolution regarding the surge, reflects the views of his constituents.
33 posted on 02/18/2007 3:03:13 PM PST by erton1
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To: BillyBoy
With that recorded I'd say it's just a matter of time before he switches parties anyway, but at least he's come out of the closet.
34 posted on 02/18/2007 3:08:14 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: erton1
Sadly, I also believe that Kirk's vote on the resolution regarding the surge, reflects the views of his constituents.

Not this constituent!

35 posted on 02/18/2007 3:13:11 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: erton1
The problem is Mark Kirk is not a "moderate", he holds extreme liberal views on several issues. PBA is the one that immediately comes to mind but the fact is your "fiscally conservative" boy cast a number of goofy votes that he doesn't "need" to cast to be "electable". The guy represents the wealthiest district in the state. He just voted with Nancy Pelosi to raise the minimum wage. He didn't do that to be "electable" in his district. He did that because the liberal media will love him for it.

IF Mark Kirk were a "moderate", along the lines of say, George Vonovich and Jim Edgar, I'd vote for him. He's not a moderate, he's a liberal. The difference is true "moderates" might stray from the party line from time to time, but they are genearlly reliable on the big issues and they don't go out of their way to have NARAL, ANSWER, and the SIERRA CLUB cheering them on. It wouldn't surprise me if Kirk starting joining fellow RINO Judy Baar Topinka at the gay pride parades. He's a shameless panderer. A wussy "moderate" like Jim Edgar might support legal abortion, but he won't go out of his way to get Planned Parenthood fawning over him.

You say I am focused on one issue. That one issue proves Kirk is out of touch with the electorate he claims to represent so well. He doesn't "need" to support abortion in EVERY circumstance, or blanket amnetsy for illegal aliens, or jacking up the minumum wage. An in-your-face hardcore conservative would probably not "win" there, but certainly people who have held a number of positions to the right of Kirk have won in areas even more liberal than the one he's in.

I say, we could dump Kirk and get an "electable" candidate who might not agree with us on everything, but he wouldn't take nutty positions on issues like that. Peter Fitzgerald "won" Kirk's district over Carol Mosely-Braun handily without having to support all that liberal garbage.

36 posted on 02/18/2007 3:15:49 PM PST by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi -- we elected ROSKAM)
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To: Williams

All this rear kissing is emboldening Bush's Dem enemies who really are laying out the groundwork for a coup d'etat.


37 posted on 02/18/2007 3:20:07 PM PST by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Not this constituent either!

What would make good sense is to call GOP Headquarters in Lake County and ask them who they now plan to put up against Kirk. I have to believe that if they get enough calls, they'll do something!

Here's the number: 847 356-3941

38 posted on 02/18/2007 3:21:04 PM PST by MarketR (Anyone else want to negotiate?" - Corbin Dallas)
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To: MarketR
Sorry folks...number has been taken down.

Moderator, please remove #38.

39 posted on 02/18/2007 3:25:56 PM PST by MarketR (Anyone else want to negotiate?" - Corbin Dallas)
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To: BillyBoy

Does the republican party give money to this guy for his reelection?
If so then I will not give any more to the party.


40 posted on 02/18/2007 3:37:41 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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