Alicia Colon: Giuliani Can Win

The New York Sun ^ | 2.16.07 | Alicia Colon

[meg88]

Many Republicans were sharply affected by last November's disastrous election and have become more pragmatic about their priorities. Mr. Giuliani, while adhering to his positions, insists he is a strict constitutionalist and will appoint judges who are the same.

While gun control is just one of the hot-button issues that may present a problem for Mr. Giuliani during the Republican primary campaign, there is an overriding issue that might make this and other social issues moot — the war on terror.

I briefly met Mr. Giuliani in 2004 at a Harvard Club luncheon honoring the posthumous publication of William E. Simon's autobiography.

His speech made everyone in the room cheer, and perhaps inspired some of the conservatives present to look at Mr. Giuliani as a possible 2008 candidate.

Recalling the events of September 11, 2001, Mr. Giuliani said his first thought was a sense of amazement that he was asking the White House for air support to defend New York City.

The second thought he had was, "Thank God George Bush is the president of the United States."

He then suggested correctly that if Vice President Gore were president, he probably would have followed the Clinton strategy of a symbolic response, then a retreat.

Mr. Bush on the other hand was "determined, focused, and offered a clear vision of what he intended to do." That, Mr. Giuliani said, is the importance of leadership.

He recently reiterated his admiration for President Bush, and if there are some who think he's just posturing to seduce the base, I can attest that his appreciation is sincere and predates his presidential ambitions.

[Spiff]

To accept Rudolf Giuliani as the leader of the Republican party, among many other socialist mores we've fought against for so many years, we are told that we must accept abortion into our hearts. It is an accepted practice in modern America and only a minority of Americans say otherwise. Why resist?

Well, I'm sorry. I do not accept abortion into my heart. And I doubt the majority of Americans will either.

The mass murder of helpless innocent babies in the womb is evil. Period. Poking sharp instruments into the skulls of partially born babies and sucking their brains out is grotesque barbarism so horrific to be beyond the ability of most people to fully comprehend. It's unthinkable evil.

Knowing that the Democrat Party lovingly embraces this evil as part of their platform literally makes me sick to my stomach. Every time I see the face of Hillary, Kennedy, Schumer, Reid, et al, I see the face of pure evil. It's as if I'm looking into the face of Nazism

Rudolf Giuliani does not deliver us from this evil, he delivers us to it.

If the Republican party embraces this evil culture of death platform as the Democrat party does, then I will have to agree... it's time to move on.

The party of Reagan will be dead. The party of Lincoln will be dead. The party of Jeffersonian life and liberty will be dead. The only party defending human life and liberty in America will be dead.

The Republican party becomes the Democrat party and the Democrat party becomes the communist party, the right to life and liberty in America be damned.

Time and evil marches on.

Please pray for America.

140 posted on 02/11/2007 4:43:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. ~ A.C.)

[mylife]

This sounds like the opinion of a Colon, The tail end of one at any rate.

[Spiff]

"But if he had a (D) next to his name instead, and held the same positions, everyone would be calling him a liberal and unfit to be president". Im just curious-Aside from the WOT what is the difference (on social issues) Between Rudy and Kerry? Or does anyone know where I might find out? something that came up in a conversation and I have no idea!

I don't know about Kerry, but I did some research and created a chart which compares Giuliani's views with Clinton's and also with the Democrat and Republican Party Platforms. I suspect Kerry & Clinton are pretty similar in views, so this chart should apply.

Here ya go:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Overturning Roe v. Wade	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

[LtdGovt]

Im just curious-Aside from the WOT what is the difference (on social issues) Between Rudy and Kerry?

What's the difference between Lyndon B. Johnson and President Bush on fiscal issues?

[Liz]

A Fox News poll released Feb 15, 2007 finds that only 42% of GOP voters correctly identified Giuliani as pro-abortion. Some 21% say he's pro-life and another 36% don't know where he stands.

About 60% of GOP voters have yet to find out that Giuliani supports abortion.

The poll showed 46% of GOP voters are less likely to support a pro-abortion candidate -- with 36% a lot less likely and 10 percent somewhat less likely. Only 22 percent are more likely to support an abortion advocate.

That means nearly half of early 2008 voters will be less inclined to back Giuliani.

[Faustian Justice2]

[jla]

Yet another New Yorker telling the rest of the country that what is good enough for New York is good enough for the rest of the country...

Not to worry. The South and non-coastal western states will be Giuliani's Waterloo come primary time.

[Nonstatist]

Another pitiful column hectoring social conservatives to vote for a RINO

No,no,no. Vote for Howard Phillips or whoever the Constitution Party throws out there. Or maybe you could write in Pat Buchanan's name and send him a few bucks, if you got some extra change. Or maybe you can just take the day off and get some fly fishing in.

[LtdGovt]

But if he had a (D) next to his name instead, and held the same positions, everyone would be calling him a liberal and unfit to be president.

No, he would be praised for being a Joseph Lieberman who believes in limited government and low taxation (which Joe doesn't).

[rabidralph]

Aye-aye!

[Peach]

You want your little echo chamber with your other pathetic and childish friends, Spiffyboy. We all know that.

But thankfully a lot of adults and Americans have far better sense than you. Not that it was a high bar to hurdle in the first place.

[jla]

Only an evil person would approve or turn a blind eye towards that the ghoulish practice of partial-birth abortion.

[deport]

Alicia Colon: Giuliani Can Win

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Maybe so and maybe not but in todays polling environment the article title is correct. That may change over time but not a given and time is fast eluding any other wannabe.

25. Thinking ahead to the next presidential election, if the 2008 general election 
were held today and the candidates were [Democrat NAME], [Republican NAME], 
and [independent NAME], for whom would you vote?

             Hillary    Rudy       Ralph  (Other/ 
             Clinton   Giuliani    Nader  Don’t know) 
13-14 Feb 07   40%       46           5        9 
Democrats      73%       17           5        5 
Republicans     7%       84           3        7  
Independents   40%       41           6       13


26. – 27. What if the candidates were [Democrat NAME] and [Republican NAME] 
(ROTATE QUESTIONS 26 AND 27 AND ROTATE ORDER OF NAMES WITHIN QUESTIONS)


             Hillary     Rudy        (Other/ 
             Clinton     Giuliani     Don’t know) 
13-14 Feb 07   40%        49            11 
Democrats      73%        20             7 
Republicans     6%        87             8 
Independents   39%        46            15
 

[George W. Bush]

The argument made is that the ex-mayor will fight terrorism and can use that to deflect concerns over his left-wing political positions. Supposedly, this is why he can win.

Given that the 2006 election was anything but an endorsement on the war in Iraq, it is very suspect.

The voters really aren't that wild about the WOT. There is a faction of the GOP that is. Those are the ones who support the ex-mayor.

So, Giuliani's appeal is reduced to: vote for him or the terrorists will kill you and Hillary will do bad bad things.

I don't think the conservative base will stampede so easily. And I'm certain the indies and Dims won't.

Running a blatantly anti-gun pro-sodomy candidate in a country that has moved so strongly in so many states to CCW and outlawing sodomy marriage is a strange move. Even more so when the Dims won their majority by being more conservative.

When the '06 election sees the election of pro-life and pro-gun Dims (at least nominally), that is not the time for the GOP to nominate a gungrabbing pro-abortion pro-sodomy candidate.

[Nonstatist]

The South and non-coastal western states will be Giuliani's Waterloo come primary time.

Seems to me just about everyone is sick of getting jerked around by southerners. And that includes most Republicans, if my read on that is right.

[isom35]

Alicia Colon my @ss

[WFTR]

While gun control is just one of the hot-button issues that may present a problem for Mr. Giuliani during the Republican primary campaign, there is an overriding issue that might make this and other social issues moot — the war on terror.

The 9/11 attacks succeeded because our society's first response to aggression has become calling 9-1-1 and waiting passively for "proper authorities" to handle the situation. The people on those planes showed tremendous courage to do what they've been taught is the correct thing to do under tremendous pressure, but the passive response is wrong. On the one plane where they resisted evil with force, they overcame that evil and saved the lives of people wherever the fourth target was. If they'd rushed the cockpit before the terrorists had gained total control, they likely would have saved their own lives as well.

The lesson that we need to learn from 9/11 is the lesson that passively waiting for "proper authorities" to handle everything is wrong, but that is the message of the anti-Second Amenment people. As one of those anti-Second Amendment, anti-resistance to evil, anti-self-defense advocates, Rudy Giuliani is part of the problem in the War on Terror and not part of the solution. His likely positions on defending us against our enemies is one of the primary reasons that I can never vote for him.

Bill

[WorkingClassFilth]

Yep. R's that endorse them and claim to be conservative are the same.

Funny how the term conservative is so-o-o-o important to have on a pol's CV when talking to the party rank and file, but means nothing when sent to do the job.

[JCEccles]

How ironic. A columnist in the New York Sun says Rudy can win.

Rudy can't even win New York.

[bilhosty]

How is Rudy a "liberal-left Republican"? he lowered Taxes, reduced Government. Threw Yassir Arafat out of the ball, Stared down the race hucksters, threw people off welfare,Even in the 90's he said we needed better border security. He shutdown blasphemous "art" displays. Threw porno out of times Square. Supports the fight in Iraq and opposed gay marriage. why because he says he is for abortion. Even Barry Goldwater when he left the Senate fessed up he was for it. At least Rudy says what most other GOP Senators and rep's believe secretly.
Rudy is an Urban-Suburban conservative and we are losing ground there all over the country. We need to shore up that section of society or go on the ash heap. Not all of us Conservatives you know probably not even most go to Evangelical Church's or live in a small town or have any desire to own guns. If you write us off forget about being anything but losers.