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Alicia Colon: Giuliani Can Win
The New York Sun ^ | 2.16.07 | Alicia Colon

Posted on 02/16/2007 2:13:25 PM PST by meg88

Many Republicans were sharply affected by last November's disastrous election and have become more pragmatic about their priorities. Mr. Giuliani, while adhering to his positions, insists he is a strict constitutionalist and will appoint judges who are the same.

While gun control is just one of the hot-button issues that may present a problem for Mr. Giuliani during the Republican primary campaign, there is an overriding issue that might make this and other social issues moot — the war on terror.

I briefly met Mr. Giuliani in 2004 at a Harvard Club luncheon honoring the posthumous publication of William E. Simon's autobiography.

His speech made everyone in the room cheer, and perhaps inspired some of the conservatives present to look at Mr. Giuliani as a possible 2008 candidate.

Recalling the events of September 11, 2001, Mr. Giuliani said his first thought was a sense of amazement that he was asking the White House for air support to defend New York City.

The second thought he had was, "Thank God George Bush is the president of the United States."

He then suggested correctly that if Vice President Gore were president, he probably would have followed the Clinton strategy of a symbolic response, then a retreat.

Mr. Bush on the other hand was "determined, focused, and offered a clear vision of what he intended to do." That, Mr. Giuliani said, is the importance of leadership.

He recently reiterated his admiration for President Bush, and if there are some who think he's just posturing to seduce the base, I can attest that his appreciation is sincere and predates his presidential ambitions.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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1 posted on 02/16/2007 2:13:27 PM PST by meg88
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To: meg88

Going to a lefty to beat leftism isn't a win.

Duncan hunter for President!


2 posted on 02/16/2007 2:14:46 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: meg88

Another pitiful column hectoring social conservatives to vote for a RINO.


3 posted on 02/16/2007 2:17:13 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: meg88

And isn't winning all that matters?

Who cares what he'll do or sign when he's in office. HE CAN WIN!


4 posted on 02/16/2007 2:17:27 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: meg88

Yet another New Yorker telling the rest of the country that what is good enough for New York is good enough for the rest of the country...


5 posted on 02/16/2007 2:18:25 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus (Presidential candidates should support their party's platform if they want their party's support)
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To: flashbunny

LOL That about somes up the thinking.


6 posted on 02/16/2007 2:21:20 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08...HI MOM:))
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To: OMalley; flashbunny

sum, some, something like that LOL


7 posted on 02/16/2007 2:22:11 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08...HI MOM:))
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To: flashbunny

And if he runs as a Republican, then by golly, he must be a conservative, right?????


8 posted on 02/16/2007 2:23:05 PM PST by Millee (Tagline free since 10/20/06)
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To: meg88

If Giuliani is endorsed by the R's, Hillary will win the election.


9 posted on 02/16/2007 2:23:24 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Millee

He has to be!

But if he had a (D) next to his name instead, and held the same positions, everyone would be calling him a liberal and unfit to be president.

But that (R) makes everything better! Just ask senator spector!


10 posted on 02/16/2007 2:24:25 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: meg88
Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion...Republicans Don't.

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000


TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999


BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000


***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

11 posted on 02/16/2007 2:24:40 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Imagine this: No matter who wins between Hillary and Rudy, if such a contest happens, we end up with a liberal New York President, and a liberal Senator who serves as Chairman of the Administrative Oversight and the Courts Subcommittee, also from New York. Think of all the fine judges we will get.


12 posted on 02/16/2007 2:25:43 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: Spiff
I've got a pic of Rudy in drag with Donald Trump!


13 posted on 02/16/2007 2:25:52 PM PST by meg88 (Run Newt, Run!)
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To: All

Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.

Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts

Rudy has a strong 84% conservative approval rating. (Battle ground poll as of Jan.11, '07)



The rebirth of New York City, the most visible urban achievement in the 20th century is the work of the person now dubbed America’s mayor. For the millions of Americans who live in New York and the millions more who work or whose livelihood has been affected by its revival the contrast between the pre and post Giuliani years could not be more striking.

His defense of Israel and intolerance for Arab and U.N. sponsored anti-Semitism is legendary.

He figuratively walked into the lion's den of a crime ridden, high tax, and decaying city and carried out a conservative agenda of tax cuts, crime reduction and, in the case of the Brooklyn Museum, defense of religion in the public square. On this count Giuliani seems to be the winner in the public character category for his extraordinary vision and leadership.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780064/posts






In fact, an exit poll question from Pew in 2004 revealed that only 3% of voters named abortion as their top voting issue, 2% named religiosity, and 2% named gay marriage.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts



Even Reagan couldn't live up to Reagan in today's climate.

He was a great president, but he wasn't perfect.

He was divorced, married a pregnant Nancy, and signed the most liberal abortion legislation at the time when he was Governor of California. As president he gave us two lousy Supreme Court judges, signed amnesty legislation, raised taxes 4 times and after the presidency he actively pushed for federal gun legislation (the Brady Bill).





Rudy also kicked Arafat out of a concert hall. This was back when it wasn't fashionable and Clinton was hosting the terrorist in the White House as his most frequent guest.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19980




Ultra social conservative Pat Robertson thinks Rudy would make a good president.

Asked if Giuliani would be an acceptable 2008 presidential candidate to Christian conservatives, Pat Robertson told ABC's "This Week:" "He did a super job running the city of New York and I think he'd make a good president."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/1/102522.shtml



The SayNoToRudy web site changed their minds about him and now supports him.
http://saynotorudy.org/



Ronald Reagan on compromise:
When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

~~ Ronald Reagan, in his autobiography, An American Life .



The Hoover Institute, at which Reagan is an Honorary Fellow, thinks Rudy has been good for the GOP.

Working on a book about the Republican Party, last year Hoover fellow Peter Robinson spent some time with Rudolph Giuliani. Although Giuliani is no longer running for the Senate, Robinson argues that Giuliani’s accomplishments as mayor of New York City set an example for Republican candidates just the same. A portrait of a brilliant politician—and a great public servant.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3491481.html



At the Reagan Library Gift Shop, all but 3 of the books sold under the "Ronald Reagan Book" section are about Reagan himself or presidential modes of transportation.

Rudy Giuliani's book Leadership is one of those 3 books.

The other 2 are written by Reagan's son and McCaslin.



Rudy's excellent speech at the 2004 GOP Convention:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/politics/083004-15v.htm



As George Will said on “This Week,” “His eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly." Giuliani, more than any other candidate (Romney comes the closest) has the record of taking on major institutions and reforming them. Think about tourist magnet that is New York now. When Rudy Giuliani took office, 59% of New Yorkers said they would leave the city the next day if they could. Under Rudy Giuliani’s leadership as Mayor of the nation’s largest city, murders were cut from 1,946 in 1993 to 649 in 2001, while overall crime – including rapes, assaults, burglary and auto-thefts – fell by an average of 57%. Not only did he fight crime in Gotham like Batman, despite being constantly vilified by the New York Times, he took head on the multiculturalism and victimization perpetuated by Al Sharpton and his cohort of race baiters. He ended New York’s set-aside program for minority contractors and rejected the idea of lowering standards for minorities. As far as the economy goes, Rudy reduced or eliminated 23 city taxes. He faced a $2.3 billion budget deficit but cut spending instead hiking taxes.

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/dmeaton/2007/feb/04/achieving_socially_conservative_ideals_through_liberal_means_making_the_case_for_rudy




I believe that life is sacred and should not be treated as a commodity. I believe that the institution of marriage needs to be preserved. For now at least, good judges are best way to protect the institution of marriage and move America closer to the day when a debate on the local level can begin again about the value of human life. In order for us to have this debate in state legislatures we must win the next fight over the next Supreme Court vacancy, and if we lose the next presidential election than we will have taken a major step backwards in our quest to replace the current liberal ideology on the highest bench. More than any potential Republican president, Rudy Giuliani will have the easiest time getting strict constructionists confirmed to the Supreme Court and the lower courts.

Think of four scenarios: 1) A Hillary appointment 2) A court battle in which a thinly elected Republican administration that is led by someone who is avidly pro-life faces down a probably Democratic controlled Senate 3) A court battle in which the overwhelmingly elected Republican administration is led by the Bull Moose lover himself, Mr. McCain 4) A court battle in which pro-choice Giuliani, elected and respected by a huge majority of Americans, makes the argument that strict constructionist jurisprudence is needed in the 21st century. He did after all strongly support Justice Roberts, Justice Alito, and he said that he would have made Justice Scalia Chief Justice. As important, Giuliani can actually make a personal case for a specific legal doctrine. The mayor is a former high ranking Justice department attorney who has argued before the Supreme Court.

To reclaim the Senate and Congress, to hold onto the White House, to build a sustainable Republican majority, and to advance conservative principles, we Republicans must unite together and support a candidate who can win the hearts of the vast majority of Americans.

Only when we win hearts can we then win minds.

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/dmeaton/2007/feb/04/achieving_socially_conservative_ideals_through_liberal_means_making_the_case_for_rudy


14 posted on 02/16/2007 2:26:05 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: meg88

I was wondering from where this steaming pile of an article came when I noticed the author's name is "colon" and suddenly it all made sense.


15 posted on 02/16/2007 2:26:32 PM PST by shempy (EABOF in '08)
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If Giuliani wins he'll do it without my vote. If Republicans can't do better than that maybe it's time again for a Dim president. Ronald Reagan would have probably never been elected if not for Jimmy Carter.


16 posted on 02/16/2007 2:26:34 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

That old boy is no different than the other pretender...John McCain.Both are lefties talking conservstive.


17 posted on 02/16/2007 2:26:46 PM PST by Papabear47
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To: meg88

Alicia Colon: Giuliani Can Win
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And you should always listen to a Colon.


18 posted on 02/16/2007 2:27:01 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: flashbunny

"But if he had a (D) next to his name instead, and held the same positions, everyone would be calling him a liberal and unfit to be president".

Im just curious-Aside from the WOT what is the difference (on social issues) Between Rudy and Kerry?

Or does anyone know where I might find out? something that came up in a conversation and I have no idea!

:-)


19 posted on 02/16/2007 2:27:36 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08...HI MOM:))
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To: meg88
While gun control is just one of the hot-button issues that may present a problem for Mr. Giuliani during the Republican primary campaign, there is an overriding issue that might make this and other social issues moot — the war on terror.

Second straight article you've posted saying basically the exact same thing.

I think we are starting to see which columnists are getting Rudy's talking points lists emailed to them.

20 posted on 02/16/2007 2:27:46 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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