[Spiff]

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion...Evangelical Christians Don't.

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

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TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

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BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

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MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

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***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

[Chi-townChief]

For more reasons than just that.

[Old_Mil]

With the latest poll here, it is pretty clear that a Rudy run would meet an ugly end in the general election.

In fact, if enoug of the undecideds decide to follow their convictions and vote for the Constitution Party in the general election, the constitution Party will outpoll the Pubbies.

[Dudoight]

So, if Rudy gets the GOP nomination we should all vote for the democrat? You gotta be kidding me?

[Spiff]

(((((STOP RUDY PING)))))

[SLB]

I am a born again Christian and would have a rough time going into the booth and voting for Rudy. I would take him over any of the democrats, but it would be an extremely hard vote to cast.

[Dudoight]

Keep in mind that a vote for a 'third' party is a vote for the Democratic candidate.

[Nathan Zachary]

So, southern Baptists are who MSM says are these influential Evangelical Christian leaders" they always talk about.

I sure am glad they finally cleared that up. I always wondered which Christian sec they meant. I was thinking Mormons in Ohio for a while there...

[pissant]

It isn't the only issue that will sink Rudy. His anti-gun record makes Ray Naggin seem like Wayne LaPierre.

[WKB]

Baptist Ping

[Obie Wan]

Watch and see how Giuliani moderates as the primaries get closer.With the exception of spaceshots like Ralph Nader ALL politicians move in the right hand direction at some point in the election cycle.For Pub's it's the primaries for D'craps it's the general election.Some people see this as lying,politicians see it as the X's and O's of a good game plan !!!

[don-o]

Richard Land nails it.

[Ben Ficklin]

Everyone vote for the Republican Theocratic Party.

After losing, let's all go wander in the desert for two generations.

[JCEccles]

This is one of the most intelligent analyses I have read. Land really understands social conservatives; Giuliani supporters don't have a clue.

[WKB]

with a foreword written by Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn).


I thought Joe was and "(I-Conn)" now

[Bratch]

What's best? A President who publicly opposes abortion but is unable to get strict constuctionalist judges through
Congress or a President who publicly supports abortion but appoints judges to the bench that will uphold the words of the Constitution as the Founders originally intended?

[verity]

"“If he wins, he’ll do so without social conservatives,” Land said."

That is sooooooooooo self evident.

[napscoordinator]

Land is considered an influential evangelical leader



He is???? Never heard of him. I think that the Influential Evangelical Leaders are Haggard, Farwell, Robertson, and that glasses wearing fello who had a stroke (can't think of his name). Land is hardly influential unless the population of the United States has at least heard of him.

[Corin Stormhands]

Pay attention here folks.

After all, the Southern Baptist boycott shut down Disney...

[Esther Ruth]

Nothing could make me vote for Rudy - nothing.

[You Dirty Rats]

Land said the mayor’s annulment, divorce and subsequent third marriage will seal the deal against hizzoner for social conservatives. “It’s got to surface at some point,” Land said. “There are too many social conservatives talking about it, and it applies to [Newt] Gingrich, too.”

It would also apply to Ronald Reagan. Does Land believe Reagan should never have been President because he was divorced and remarried? Does Land want us to believe that "social conservatives" use divorce at a litmus test in 2008 when they obviously did not in 1980?