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To: CobaltBlue
meg88 wrote:
I think even they see he can beat Hillary

To which madprof98 replied:
The only cause that really matters, apparently

Well, yes, for 2008, this IS the "only cause that really matters". To give Hillary the power of the White House [again] is unthinkable. It must be resisted at all costs, and in this case the end DOES justify the means, and the candidate.

In 2008 our best shot will be holding the presidency, and perhaps with a great deal of luck, regaining a bare majority in the Senate (even that will be difficult). The House is lost to us, at least for next election cycle or two. It will take time to rebuild there, IF it can be done. One must realize the electoral demographics of the country have been changing at the speed of a whirlwind, since Reagan's time. It will be much harder to pull conservative victories once the sitting Congress (and our sitting _president_, sad to say) push through "immigration reform". You know what that means: 15 million new Democratic votes to overcome.

2008 will be a "defensive election" for the Republicans, and for conservatives. We have sustained sizable losses in the wake of 2006, and to dream of sweeping back into power on the coattails of an arch-conservative candidate ... well, its a _dream_, and will amount to nothing more in '08.

We don't need dreams.

We need victories.

- John

94 posted on 02/15/2007 11:06:17 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: Fishrrman

Wrong. We need some principles. The GOP has to stand for something. If its only principle is "power at any cost" then it might as well be The Democrat Party.


97 posted on 02/15/2007 11:09:13 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: Fishrrman
in this case the end DOES justify the means

I wish all the Rudy supporters would just come out and admit this is what they believe. It would not make you right, or moral, but it would be a whole lot easier to read than this blather about Rudy's being a stealth conservative in lib's clothing.

98 posted on 02/15/2007 11:09:44 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Fishrrman

Well said.


101 posted on 02/15/2007 11:10:29 AM PST by My GOP (Conservatives are realistic and pragmatic!!)
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To: Fishrrman
"We need victories."

You win nothing backing a conservative candidate who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning. You equally win nothing backing a candidate who's so far left, he's not even conservative (Guilianni).

159 posted on 02/15/2007 3:55:32 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Guilianni is a Liberal who cannot beat Hillary!)
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