Poll shows Clinton, Giuliani pull ahead as campaigns kick off

WZZM13 ^ | Feb. 13, 2007 | Susan Page

[FairOpinion]

The survey taken Friday through Sunday - nearly a year before the first presidential primaries are held - shows Clinton with a 19-percentage-point edge over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among Democrats and Giuliani with a 16-point margin over Arizona Sen. John McCain among Republicans.

[IslandJeff]

The partial birth abortion ban that was passed and signed by our pro-life President was struck down by Federal judges and is being considered by the Supreme Court. The procedure has not been outlawed and is still being done nationwide and Giuliani supported it. Get your facts straight.

So Rudy is obviously a plaintiff? He was on the BENCH that supposedly struck down the law? Make your case for DFH and I'd be glad to hear it. In the mean time, get your facts straight, with all due respect.

Hey Hey LBJ, How many PBA's you do today?

[Unmarked Package]

FReepers should be aware of Giuliani's response to a question about global warming and Al Gore’s film An Inconvenient Truth at a news conference last Monday (2/12/2007) in California. The video clip is posted over at Pajamas Media if you haven't seen it. I leave it to FReepers to draw their own conclusions.

[RepublicanPOTUSin08]

Just saying its going to be tough enough to win the WH with a Catholic at the top of he ticket, don't need to make things worse.

I really don't think this is an issue anymore in 90 percent of the country. I mean, this is 2007, not 1957. It would definitely be tough to elect a Mormon because most Americans think they're cultish, but Catholics? They're mainstream nowadays.

[EternalVigilance]

If you claim to be a conservative and are staying home or voting third party, YOU ARE ACTIVELY VOTING FOR HILLARY.

If you claim to be a conservative and are supporting Rudy Giuliani, YOU ARE ACTIVELY VOTING FOR SOMEONE WHOSE POLICIES ARE NEARLY IDENTICAL TO HERS, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.

"Most of Clinton's policies are similar to most of mine." -Rudy Giuliani

[onyx]

Not to mention that five Catholics are seated on SCOTUS.

[mysterio]

And the entire election turns on your vote, of course!

Never claimed that it did.

[msnimje]

Yes, I know. Were he to change, I would call it "answered prayers."

It absolutely baffles my mind that some complain about Republicans who have conversions TOWARDS THE RIGHT SIDE OF ISSUES.

[Spiff]

Regardless of what Giuliani says, the fact that President Bush outlawed partial-birth abortions makes the issue of PBA irrelevant.

So, if Giuliani was for hanging slaves from trees 6 years ago, and slaves were emancipated (but their freedom held up in the Supreme Court) 3 years ago, and Giuliani said that he's now against hanging slaves from trees because he wants to get elected, you'd be perfectly OK with that?

[Rome2000]

Giuliani will probably run with Huckabee or Allen, a NY Mayor running with a Mass Governor like Romney doesn't make any sense politically either.

Romney is also a big government liberal

[Spiff]

Regardless of what Giuliani says, the fact that President Bush outlawed partial-birth abortions makes the issue of PBA irrelevant.

You all have got to check this one out...

[onyx]

I agree and then they call it "political" conversions, as though they know the hearts of the converted. Like you, I'll leave that for God to determine.

[mysterio]

If you claim to be a conservative and are staying home or voting third party, YOU ARE ACTIVELY VOTING FOR HILLARY.

BS. If you want my vote, earn it with something besides the letter next to your name.

As a matter of fact, I can't believe that restoration of the Constitution is even up for debate on a site whose motto is "Defending our Constitution."

[EternalVigilance]

There really are no depths of lying that they won't sink to.

Might as well be witnessing the takeover of the GOP by Carville and Begalla.

[IslandJeff]

You take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States and exercise duties enumerated therein.

Your example is a strawman.

[drc43]

"Just saying its going to be tough enough to win the WH with a Catholic at the top of he ticket, don't need to make things worse."

And I am saying that Mitt Romney is an electrifying candidate. Wait till you hear him speak.

(Oh, and his religion does NOT require him to kill us or fly airplanes into buildings... can't say that about all of them for sure, can we)?

[Spiff]

You take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States and exercise duties enumerated therein.

You think that the constitution provides a right to kill your child via Partial Birth Abortion!!? You're a lunatic.

[onyx]

What's the matter, spiff? You can't debate Big Sky Freeper on your own?


Oh, and since your highlighted his comment, please observe the FR rule by pinging the poster you're trying to ridicule.

[Irish Eyes]

Very good news indeed ! Go Rudy !

[EternalVigilance]

It absolutely baffles my mind that some complain about Republicans who have conversions TOWARDS THE RIGHT SIDE OF ISSUES.

Where I come from, new converts aren't given leadership. They have many years of proving themselves before they're ready for that.

Giuliani's "conversion" is mainly in your heads, though, anyway.

[Spiff]

To accept Rudolf Giuliani as the leader of the Republican party, among many other socialist mores we've fought against for so many years, we are told that we must accept abortion into our hearts. It is an accepted practice in modern America and only a minority of Americans say otherwise. Why resist?

Well, I'm sorry. I do not accept abortion into my heart. And I doubt the majority of Americans will either.

The mass murder of helpless innocent babies in the womb is evil. Period. Poking sharp instruments into the skulls of partially born babies and sucking their brains out is grotesque barbarism so horrific to be beyond the ability of most people to fully comprehend. It's unthinkable evil.

Knowing that the Democrat Party lovingly embraces this evil as part of their platform literally makes me sick to my stomach. Every time I see the face of Hillary, Kennedy, Schumer, Reid, et al, I see the face of pure evil. It's as if I'm looking into the face of Nazism

Rudolf Giuliani does not deliver us from this evil, he delivers us to it.

If the Republican party embraces this evil culture of death platform as the Democrat party does, then I will have to agree... it's time to move on.

The party of Reagan will be dead. The party of Lincoln will be dead. The party of Jeffersonian life and liberty will be dead. The only party defending human life and liberty in America will be dead.

The Republican party becomes the Democrat party and the Democrat party becomes the communist party, the right to life and liberty in America be damned.

Time and evil marches on.

Please pray for America.


140 posted on 02/11/2007 4:43:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. ~ A.C.)