Posted on 02/13/2007 5:14:50 AM PST by MittFan08
While the White House is taking a hands-off approach to the 2008 GOP presidential primaries so far, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani is quietly seeing an administration cheerleading section grow.
One insider said that it is built on the fact that Giuliani continues to beat Sen. John McCain in the polls and also because he is offering to stick with several Bush programs, including an aggressive stance against terrorists, and promises to name conservative judges to the court. One Bush official today noted Giuliani's pledge to nominate conservative judges and applauded the New Yorker for making that claim in liberal California.
"He didn't back away just because he was in California. In fact, he went there to make that statement. That's a very important signal," said the insider. Interestingly, even White House conservatives are showing support for Giuliani.
"He's the front-runner, and he's doing everything so far very good," said another official. "He isn't bending to what people want to hear. He kind of sounds like Bush did in 2000."
(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...
People around here have very short memories. Reagan was a great president, but he was far from perfect. And his own party was sick of his brand of conservatism:
Republicans complained that Reagan gave conservatives the "back of his hand" in his cabinet appointments.
Some Republicans charged that Reagan aligned himself with his former allies, the Democrats and liberals.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/cm/main/viewArticle.aip?id=10812&page=all
MY words.."this forum wasn't created to promote pro-choice"..Got it?
I could care less what you all post about gaga Rudy..
sw
They don't know how to disagree with someone and still respect them. That's the problem. I disagree with JR's stance on Rudy but I still respect him. I don't agree with them on Duncan Hunter but I still respect them enough not to go on their threads about Duncan or their anti-Rudy flamebait threads and tell them what I feel even though they often ping me to them. I let them enjoy their threads because I respect their feelings. They have no respect.
Those who continually call Republicans "RINOS" are generally the same folks who threaten to stay home on election day or vote third party if their candidate loses in the primary.
sw
Let's see - it is the anti-Rudy folks who are chiming in with the implicit threat of being banned for daring to contradict the owner of the site. The pro-Rudy people don't have the ability to cling to the edge of Daddy's raincoat when stormy weather flies in. To conclude - back away from this kind of rhetoric, and maybe one won't be accused of it.
Ivan
"And you constantly posting that is supposed to do what????"
It should cause any reasonable person to get a clue that this is supposed to be a conservative site. It's embarassing to see how many liberals are posting here.
Look, we know "whose forum" this is, but I don't recall seeing a rule that says "Thou shalt not disagree with JimRob" anywhere. Whether you like it or not, Giuliani is a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination. It is news. It should be discussed here. And there will be disagreement between those that support him and those that don't. That's the purpose of the primaries!
Last time I checked, the owner of this site was Jim Robinson, not TitansAFC. If JimRob wants to ban Rudy threads or Rudy posters, he has the right to do so.
As for what you think is appropriate for this site, check out Rhett Butler's parting words to Scarlett O'Hara.
Just an observation for the Rudy supporters... Two recent executive elections point out the truth of the statement that socially conservative issues are the heart of the Republican party; Ahnold and GW.
In both cases, we were told to vote as Republicans for candidates who were electable because the alternative was worse. In Ahnold's case, there was a strong conservative candidate available... but denied so we could have a governor with an (R) by his name. What has that gotten us?
Ahnold has been pretty much a Republican disaster.
President Bush is doing a very good job on the WOT (although I'd like to see a tougher stance--the "surge" is a good start in that direction). He did a good job on tax policy... even if it's going to sunset of its own accord. Where he hasn't done a good job, though, is on the socially conservative issues... CFR, Education Bill, Farm Bill, payments to selective victims of terror, non-enforcement of our borders, non-enforcement of our laws (Berger, et al)... to name a few.
Ahnold has been pretty much a Republican disaster.
So what has this gained the party? The minority position. Why? Simply because the party leadership and their parrots continue to foist electabile candidates rather than suitable candidates. The liberals have a party. The conservatives have been shown too many times of late that we do not. If I wanted to destroy the Republican party I could not devise a better scheme than what has been implemented. It has divided us and weakened us.
A Rudy candidacy will ensure a Democratic president. The liberals will vote for the candidate with the (D) by her name and the conservative Republican will see no difference in the choices before him.
If you want to win an election, try something novel... appeal to real American values as enumerated in our founding documents... and stick by them. Maybe you wouldn't have to worry about courting swing voters and "moderates" if you gave the 40% who don't see any point in voting something to be excited about.
If Republicans truly want back the power to govern then stop trying to appease us with words in a platform... give us a leadership to embodies those words. Rudy does not embody the party platform... he opposes much of it... the heart of it.
I'M SORRY BUDDY BUT WE ARE NOT LIBERALS! And you have no right to accuse us of being liberals. But then again you don't act like Compassionate conservatives at all. More like My way or the Highway conservatives.
ROFLMAO!!
Wow! Do you have the link to that thread? That's a heck of a good post.
I could care less what you all post about gaga Rudy..
Ugh.
Why is it the default position of so many folks here that - if we ask them to express their views where they are more welcome - that we are asking that they be BANNNED?
Nobody wants anybody BANNED! Sheeesh!
Your RINO isn't going to be elected anyway..Have fun..post away. It's a waste of time.
Take care, sw
When he is, I'll be heartily amused at yours and others expense.
You might want to think carefully about what it is you're doing. Social conservatives could extract concessions from Rudy in exchange for their support; if they shut the door entirely, in the eventuality that he wins, he will owe them nothing.
One final note - most polls indicate that about 1/3rd of the American electorate identify themselves as conservative or very conservative. Without some moderates, no Republican will be able to win the presidency. Moderates will not be attracted to a candidate who accuses them of apostasy for daring a semblance of disagreement.
Ivan
IF (and I will freely admit that is a big IF) Rudy does in fact appoint Justices in the Roberts - Alito mold then no matter what else he would do as President he will, as a practical matter, have done more than President Reagan on the abortion issue.
Just one more vote on SCOTUS and Roe is toast. Then we would actually go back to when the elected representatives of the people passed laws, not black-robed tyrants.
Nothing is certain with SCOTUS appointments from Republican Presidents, of course. Ike named Warren; Nixon had Blackmun; Ford had Stevens; Reagan had Sandra Dee; GHWB had Souter.
But we KNOW that Hillary or Obama or any other 'rat would appoint another Ginsberg or Breyer who would not only legislate from the bench but cite Eurolaw in support of their tyranny. No thank you. Now that we are so close to a majority on SCOTUS I don't want to give the 'rats the chance to close off that possibility.
"They don't know how to disagree with someone and still respect them."
How can any reasonable person have respect for liberals?
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