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Culture Warrior (Don't write off Giuliani's appeal to social conservatives)
Wall Street Journal ^ | Februrary 13, 2007 | BRENDAN MINITER

Posted on 02/12/2007 9:43:49 PM PST by RWR8189

The book on Rudy Giuliani is that he is too liberal on social issues to win the Republican presidential nomination. Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, put it succinctly: "I don't see anyone getting the Republican nomination who is not pro-life and a staunch defender of traditional marriage."

But Mr. Giuliani is running strong in Iowa and New Hampshire polls and leading most national surveys of Republicans. He's charming crowds of conservatives everywhere he goes. So it's worth wondering if Mr. Perkins is missing an undercurrent coursing through conservative politics.

Republicans have just experienced a bruising midterm election defeat. The president is suffering dismal approval ratings, and its erstwhile front-runner for the presidential nomination, Sen. John McCain, made his national reputation as a "maverick." The Giuliani rise evident now may be more than name recognition and residual support from his stalwart leadership following the Sept. 11 attacks. Mr. Giuliani's support may also arise from his having successfully moved an entrenched political culture in New York City, something national Republicans have not been able to do in Washington.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: EternalVigilance
That's really a canard, EV.

But you do so love to lie; I guess you just can't help it. :-)

81 posted on 02/12/2007 10:49:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Since you don't even know what those words mean, I suggest that you get yourself a good dictionary.

What words? There are plenty on this thread, you know.

I should expect such a childish attack from a Giuliite

82 posted on 02/12/2007 10:49:19 PM PST by Tim Long (Two of my favorite creationists: Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:4) and Ronald Reagan)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So Rudy's solid conservative record as NYC Mayor means nothing to you.

What, like appointing almost all Dems to the bench?

Breaking the law to protect hundreds of thousands of illegal foreign invaders?

Grabbing guns?

That "conservative" record?

Are you a liberal public school teacher? I ask because you sure are trying to dumb down the populace and change the clear meaning of words.

83 posted on 02/12/2007 10:49:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Tim Long
What's exactly is your defintion of conservative?

Rudy is a fiscal and national security conservative. He supports the troops 100% and is the only candidate I've heard who'll take on our entitlement programs. Sorry, I consider entitlement programs and the size of government more important than social issues that a President has little control over. Rudy believes in the free market economy. Duncan Hunter voted in favor of many liberal spending bills and programs.

84 posted on 02/12/2007 10:49:56 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: EternalVigilance

"Would you or would you not support Rudy Giuliani if he were the party's nominee? What do you say, Sam and Tom and Tommy and Ron and Mike?"

I would hope they would not. You might as well vote for a democrap as vote for Rudy.


85 posted on 02/12/2007 10:50:05 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: nopardons

Being despised and treated haughtily by you is pretty much a badge of honor to any real conservative.


86 posted on 02/12/2007 10:50:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: babygene

Yep.


87 posted on 02/12/2007 10:51:02 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: nopardons

Help me out here, please. Have any Presidential candidates won without carrying their home states?


88 posted on 02/12/2007 10:51:12 PM PST by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: Reagan Man
LOL Now you're engaging in pure political sophistry. Next we'll be seeing you post out and out psychobabble.

So are you going to refute the post or continue laughing nervously as your candidate becomes more and more irrelevant.

89 posted on 02/12/2007 10:51:46 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: babygene

No .. he didn't lose. He left the race because of medical problems.

And .. if you aren't supporting Rudy .. just who are you supporting .. HILLARY ..??


90 posted on 02/12/2007 10:51:50 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Gosh. I'm almost starting to believe you believe that laughable propaganda.


91 posted on 02/12/2007 10:51:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: loboinok
Giuliani is in the process of "re-packaging" himself. I don't and won't trust anyone who has to do that.

All the tape and string won't hold all that liberalism from seepimg out. Repackaging=flip flopping on issues.

92 posted on 02/12/2007 10:51:58 PM PST by afnamvet (It is what it is``)
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To: Reagan Man
ROTFLMSO!

You and your ilk don't engage in debate at all; no, you spam threads, befoul the keyword section, hurl invectives and specious attacks on those not walking in lock step with you and run to the Mods, when the going gets tough.

93 posted on 02/12/2007 10:52:06 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Sorry, I consider entitlement programs and the size of government more important than social issues that a President has little control over. Rudy believes in the free market economy.

As I stated earlier, the president has the most influential role in ending murder. You may not care about abortion, as you are not in danger of being torn apart.

I don't support Hunter, by the way.

94 posted on 02/12/2007 10:52:14 PM PST by Tim Long (Two of my favorite creationists: Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:4) and Ronald Reagan)
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To: RWR8189

I think this article is on to something. You can't just judge a candidate based on the balance of their stated positions on various issues. After eight years of George Bush, many Americans will be eager to have a president that doesn't make us all cringe when he speaks publicly. Giuliani would clearly be a very strong leader, and that should not be underestimated.


95 posted on 02/12/2007 10:53:03 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: loboinok

And WHAT will you do when Rudy is the GOP presidential nominee?


96 posted on 02/12/2007 10:53:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: babygene
You might as well vote for a democrap

That's been the mantra on every Rudy thread - and it doesn't work for 'those in the know'.
97 posted on 02/12/2007 10:53:32 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Bringing up comparisons to a dictator means you automatically lose the argument."

That fallacious canard is often used by advocates of one particular dictator.
98 posted on 02/12/2007 10:53:50 PM PST by familyop (http://www.noachidechassid.com/)
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To: Junior_G
You can't just judge a candidate based on the balance of their stated positions on various issues.

Really? I thought that was point. As long as he talks purdy, I guess. *Ha-Yuk*

99 posted on 02/12/2007 10:54:21 PM PST by Tim Long (Two of my favorite creationists: Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:4) and Ronald Reagan)
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To: familyop

Maybe we should start calling him "Benito." That would really get 'em stirred up...


100 posted on 02/12/2007 10:55:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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