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Culture Warrior (Don't write off Giuliani's appeal to social conservatives)
Wall Street Journal ^ | Februrary 13, 2007 | BRENDAN MINITER

Posted on 02/12/2007 9:43:49 PM PST by RWR8189

The book on Rudy Giuliani is that he is too liberal on social issues to win the Republican presidential nomination. Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, put it succinctly: "I don't see anyone getting the Republican nomination who is not pro-life and a staunch defender of traditional marriage."

But Mr. Giuliani is running strong in Iowa and New Hampshire polls and leading most national surveys of Republicans. He's charming crowds of conservatives everywhere he goes. So it's worth wondering if Mr. Perkins is missing an undercurrent coursing through conservative politics.

Republicans have just experienced a bruising midterm election defeat. The president is suffering dismal approval ratings, and its erstwhile front-runner for the presidential nomination, Sen. John McCain, made his national reputation as a "maverick." The Giuliani rise evident now may be more than name recognition and residual support from his stalwart leadership following the Sept. 11 attacks. Mr. Giuliani's support may also arise from his having successfully moved an entrenched political culture in New York City, something national Republicans have not been able to do in Washington.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: presently no screen name

Actually, he did. Then he withdrew.


121 posted on 02/12/2007 11:02:48 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: EternalVigilance
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...I don't despise you, EV; one should never "despise" a fool.
122 posted on 02/12/2007 11:03:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: PzLdr

He's scared of her.


123 posted on 02/12/2007 11:04:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Kryptonite



Lincoln maybe?

We have a year to decide on "who" should be the nominee, no wonder Newt said he is waiting until Sept to decide.

I do have to say that "Rutards" is fairly funny though...


124 posted on 02/12/2007 11:05:32 PM PST by padre35 (I am from the "let's stop eating our own" wing of the Republican Party)
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To: nopardons

Nopardons, I'm glad you're supporting Giuliani. That's a good thing for his opponents.


125 posted on 02/12/2007 11:05:39 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: RWR8189

Rudy is a can do doer, what a real republican is. (RR)


126 posted on 02/12/2007 11:05:44 PM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: Junior_G
The importance of CHARISMA in winning the presidency cannot be understated, and it is the only reason Clinton won.

For a long time I wondered if Reagan won because of his conservative philosophy, or because of his charisma. I now think charisma played a larger role, then Reagan's conservatism.

127 posted on 02/12/2007 11:05:45 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Guilianni is a Liberal who cannot beat Hillary!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Help me out here, please. Have any Presidential candidates won without carrying their home states?


128 posted on 02/12/2007 11:05:50 PM PST by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: EternalVigilance

How 'bout "Rudy Toons"?


129 posted on 02/12/2007 11:06:14 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Kryptonite
I don't think so.

But right now, nobody knows that he would lose N.Y.!

130 posted on 02/12/2007 11:06:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: EternalVigilance

Absolutely.


131 posted on 02/12/2007 11:07:22 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Guilianni is a Liberal who cannot beat Hillary!)
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To: Kryptonite

Not that I'm aware of. Although I can think of a few who lost their home states and lost: Gore and Carter come to mind immediately.


132 posted on 02/12/2007 11:07:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance
Giuliani and his gungrabbing ilk don't take guns from criminals, Squish. They're criminals. Capiche? They take guns from lawabiding citizens

Really? Since crime went way down during RG's administration, you are saying law abiding citizens were the criminals. I think we can squash your 'opinion'.
133 posted on 02/12/2007 11:07:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: nopardons

New York Daily News,
March 8, 2004


Rudy opposes gay nups ban
By James Gordon Meek, Daily News Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani, who lived with a gay Manhattan couple when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his nasty divorce.

Giuliani took his gay rights stance just as speculation hits a fever pitch that he's in line to replace Cheney on Bush's ticket.

Cheney and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton fueled the vice presidential talk at Saturday night's Gridiron Dinner in Washington.

To a mock question from the audience asking Cheney to step aside for someone with "new energy and vitality," the veep turned to Giuliani and zinged: "You need to do a better job of disguising your handwriting."

Asked yesterday whether he would run with Bush if Cheney stepped aside, the mayor-turned-businessman mimicked Marlon Brando in "The Godfather": "An offer I couldn't refuse, right?" But he didn't say no.

Giuliani conceded he's "out of sync" with his party's conservative base, but likened himself to other moderate GOP stars like Gov. Pataki and Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

And while he was cagey on the veep talk, the former mayor said he will run for elected office again, but didn't say which one.

Giuliani is considered a leading GOP hopeful in the 2008 presidential race, though he may decide to challenge Clinton in her 2006 Senate reelection bid.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/soin/liveIssues/newyorkmarriage.html

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Ruling puts Mike in bind

"Rudy Giuliani supported gay rights," he said. "It didn't hurt him, why should it hurt Mike Bloomberg?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/277957p-238162c.html

Again, 3rd article down



"Giuliani's pro-choice position will hurt him in some places across the country, but the worst for Rudy will be the positions he's taken on gay rights," says Rich Schrader, a New York Democratic consultant.

http://www.isebrand.com/article_Rudy's_gay_friends.htm



(Des Moines, Iowa) Raising money for local Republicans even as he ponders his own political future, former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said Monday that Republicans must increasingly be "a big party" that accepts divergent views.

Giuliani said that broad-brush themes, like limited government, ought to define the Republican Party - not hot-button social issues like abortion and gay rights.

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon06/05/050106guiliani.htm



134 posted on 02/12/2007 11:07:56 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: PzLdr

That'll do. :-)


135 posted on 02/12/2007 11:08:09 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: padre35

Maybe. I don't know but I'd really like to find out, because at this point I am certain that Shrillary will be their candidate and if Rudy cannot beat her in NY, then the odds have to become very long against keeping her out of the White House.


136 posted on 02/12/2007 11:08:35 PM PST by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: RWR8189
Giuliani is Hillarys dream opponent..
If the pubbies run him Hillary's got a lock..
Which be called a mandate..
137 posted on 02/12/2007 11:08:52 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: presently no screen name
I think we can squash your 'opinion'.

You can try.

Are you an enemy of the Bill of Rights, too?

138 posted on 02/12/2007 11:09:36 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Carry_Okie

How about YOU ask men who have had prostate cancer what the treatments are like and how weak they were during recovery?


139 posted on 02/12/2007 11:10:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Buy more ammo!


140 posted on 02/12/2007 11:10:58 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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